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AshyTheDoggo said:
Asus better not leave us Strix non-OC peeps out for long if they do send OC ones first :(
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well if every chips is passing for an oc version and they £30 more for each one, I would ship all the oc cards first. You only make none oc with the chips that fail at being an oc card. They are exactly the same card. Flash with oc bios, test. If fail flash with none oc bios.
 
Didn't at least one company get caught doing the opposite with the 3080, shipping OEM cards in makeshift packaging to customers who'd ordered retail cards?
 
Petremir said:
Didn't at least one company get caught doing the opposite with the 3080, shipping OEM cards in makeshift packaging to customers who'd ordered retail cards?
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I saw on Reddit there was one American retailer doing that. The cards got busted up during delivery too which you would expect with absolutely no protection not even bubble wrap lol
 
Greebo said:
well if every chips is passing for an oc version and they £30 more for each one, I would ship all the oc cards first. You only make none oc with the chips that fail at being an oc card. They are exactly the same card. Flash with oc bios, test. If fail flash with none oc bios.
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Yeah well, still sucks :p haha

Guess I just have to see how long it'll be :(
 
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Greebo said:
well if every chips is passing for an oc version and they £30 more for each one, I would ship all the oc cards first. You only make none oc with the chips that fail at being an oc card. They are exactly the same card. Flash with oc bios, test. If fail flash with none oc bios.
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You’re right that it’s about getting people to spend a bit more, but it’s simply not correct to say that a card that fails an extra 100Mhz on the boost clock is put in a non-OC basket and sent to a customer anyway.

This is not how it works. The GPU is tested and binned before it is sent to ASUS. ASUS then segregates by BIOS tweak and packaging, depending on the proportions of each they predict they will sell.

There is no such thing as ‘this one failed, so let’s make it a non-OC card’. All OC and non-OC cards overclock identically. There are the usual small differences in silicon quality from one card to the next, but they do not correlate with OC/Non-OC. It will be the case that some non-OC cards overclock better than OC cards and vice versa. See last-gen if you want to confirm that. But also bear in mind it would make no sense otherwise.

Think about it. Strix cards are built for overclocking, and even those AIB models out there that are not, with the ‘cheapest’ VRMs, are hitting an easy high-1900s boost clock at a steady state. A Strix card that couldn’t hit 1860Mhz (boost clock of the OC version) is a dud and would be recycled as e-waste, not made a non-OC and sent to a customer, who would obviously kick up a huge stink about their overclock-focused, expensive Strix card not being able to hit a boost clock 100Mhz slower than the Zotacs and PNYs are hitting.

It’s just a huge misconception that the OC cards are different in some way. It’s been disproven time and again. And as hard as it may be to accept for those who paid a bit more, you’re not getting a better card. You’re getting better marketing.

This question is even asked and answered in the latest Hardware Unboxed Q&A (from 3:50): https://youtu.be/4QCnnlofZyo
 
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kazuya1337 said:
Hardware Unboxed :rolleyes:
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Whether you like or trust source in the example I’ve given or not, it doesn’t change the fact that ‘Strix cards that can’t hit 1860Mhz are being put in non-OC packaging and sent to customers’ is pure bunkum. It’s been disproved time and again and I am amazed anyone is still assuming that when a new generation comes around. The power of marketing, eh?
 
Asus Rog Strix OC RTX 3090. 135th in the queue from ordering at 2:24 as the site was slow!
Unsure on timescales but I have the EKWB blocks on pre-order also ...! Hoping it lands before Xmas :D
 
Gypsum Fantastic said:
Whether you like or trust source in the example I’ve given or not, it doesn’t change the fact that ‘Strix cards that can’t hit 1860Mhz are being put in non-OC packaging and sent to customers’ is pure bunkum. It’s been disproved time and again and I am amazed anyone is still assuming that when a new generation comes around. The power of marketing, eh?
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Especially given a number of reviewers are basically saying "save the money and get the cheaper one then OC it yourself" there would be outrage if this wasn't a feasible suggestion.
 
Gypsum Fantastic said:
You’re right that it’s about getting people to spend a bit more, but it’s simply not correct to say that a card that fails an extra 100Mhz on the boost clock is put in a non-OC basket and sent to a customer anyway.

This is not how it works. The GPU is tested and binned before it is sent to ASUS. ASUS then segregates by BIOS tweak and packaging, depending on the proportions of each they predict they will sell.

There is no such thing as ‘this one failed, so let’s make it a non-OC card’. All OC and non-OC cards overclock identically. There are the usual small differences in silicon quality from one card to the next, but they do not correlate with OC/Non-OC. It will be the case that some non-OC cards overclock better than OC cards and vice versa. See last-gen if you want to confirm that. But also bear in mind it would make no sense otherwise.

Think about it. Strix cards are built for overclocking, and even those AIB models out there that are not, with the ‘cheapest’ VRMs, are hitting an easy high-1900s boost clock at a steady state. A Strix card that couldn’t hit 1860Mhz (boost clock of the OC version) is a dud and would be recycled as e-waste, not made a non-OC and sent to a customer, who would obviously kick up a huge stink about their overclock-focused, expensive Strix card not being able to hit a boost clock 100Mhz slower than the Zotacs and PNYs are hitting.

It’s just a huge misconception that the OC cards are different in some way. It’s been disproven time and again. And as hard as it may be to accept for those who paid a bit more, you’re not getting a better card. You’re getting better marketing.

This question is even asked and answered in the latest Hardware Unboxed Q&A (from 3:50): https://youtu.be/4QCnnlofZyo
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I agree with all of that but if every chip you are being sent would handle an oc bios and a boost of 1860 why not just put it our with a oc bios and just do the more expensive oc strix first?

I mean they are the exact same boards and the oc bios is one which just gives higher boost and more power yet ASUs has only so far made 1000s of oc strix 3080 and 3090 and not a single none oc card to retailers. Why not? They could have just put the none oc bios on half of the them and shipped them out to keep none oc customers happy ?
 
deuse said:
I see some places still offer the Watch Dogs: Legion bundle.

I can see loads of refunds if ASUS don't deliver before mid November.
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I see you keep posting and keep ignoring the fact you queue jumped from a 3080 order to 4 days higher up the list on a 3090. I know it’s not your doing but you could at least say sorry to all the people on here you leap frogged or at least pretend to be sorry
 
Gypsum Fantastic said:
A new review of the ROG Strix 3080 has emerged: https://youtu.be/LWyjrD7qdME

At full load, overclocked and drawing nearly 450w (3090 can draw 480) the card never gets hotter than 65 degrees. Wow! Reckon it’s fairly noisy at that point, though, and the heat’s gotta go somewhere. Looking forward to a toasty winter.
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is that really the none oc version? As in the video the box it came in says it’s the oc version? Plus I am sure I read somewhere that the bios on the none oc doesn’t let the power go as high as 450w.
 
Greebo said:
I agree with all of that but if every chip you are being sent would handle an oc bios and a boost of 1860 why not just put it our with a oc bios and just do the more expensive oc strix first?

I mean they are the exact same boards and the oc bios is one which just gives higher boost and more power yet ASUs has only so far made 1000s of oc strix 3080 and 3090 and not a single none oc card to retailers. Why not? They could have just put the none oc bios on half of the them and shipped them out to keep none oc customers happy ?
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Because the whole OC/non-OC situation has zero to do with the hardware and everything to do with buyer psychology. On the one hand the OC version offers buyers the ability to pay a bit more for what is essentially a non-service to anyone who can run a basic, lazy overclock themselves. Lots of people are terrified of overclocking. When I sold my last PC, the guy who bought it wanted me to de-overclock everything because he thought it might be a fire risk lol.

The second is it serves as an anchor point to make the non-OC version appear to be a slightly better deal to those less inclined to pay more. It’s win-win from a marketing psychology perspective. But we should not assume the cards are physically different in any way. Because they are not. Same chip, same bin, same PCB, same cooling, same 22-stage VRM, same caps, same everything. The cards are identical in every way barring the boost clock out of the box. Which you can beat with the non-OC version with three minutes of tweaking.

I’m not saying it’s fair. It’s a marketing trick designed to lead people to believe they’re getting something more than they are. It’s sneaky.
 
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