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I would've thought it was from their over 80% market share.-
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Nvidia gimmicks / features pushing up Graphics card prices?
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I would've thought it was from their over 80% market share.I will critique my own point of view a little - The problem is that we haven't seen what AMD has to offer in the mid/high end yet.
They aren't rushing to release the '7700XT' and '7800XT', which are likely to be (more) desirable in terms of value. A delay seems quite possible.
The 6700 XT and other cheaper cards didn't arrive until months after the initial RDNA2 launch - Unfortunately, this is simply the norm now.
My optimism partly comes from the success of GPUs like the 6700XT... If AMD can offer similar value again, then we may see some real competition in the graphics market again. Apparently, this was one GPU that did appear in reasonable quantities
But, the shortfall of mass produced mid range cards is still a massive problem - it could be that AMD is still focusing on console GPU production?? Where RDNA2 is still sufficient (and cheaper to produce ofc).
AMD too is fond of marketing and gimmicks in a similar vein - I haven't really discussed that because their marketing simply hasn't had the same affect on customers.
They aren't rushing to release the '7700XT' and '7800XT', which are likely to be (more) desirable in terms of value. A delay seems quite possible.
The 6700 XT and other cheaper cards didn't arrive until months after the initial RDNA2 launch - Unfortunately, this is simply the norm now.
My optimism partly comes from the success of GPUs like the 6700XT... If AMD can offer similar value again, then we may see some real competition in the graphics market again. Apparently, this was one GPU that did appear in reasonable quantities
But, the shortfall of mass produced mid range cards is still a massive problem - it could be that AMD is still focusing on console GPU production?? Where RDNA2 is still sufficient (and cheaper to produce ofc).
AMD too is fond of marketing and gimmicks in a similar vein - I haven't really discussed that because their marketing simply hasn't had the same affect on customers.
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We know what AMD are releasing, a 7700XT renamed as a 7800XT as the real one got renamed to a 7900XT and price jacked so don't expect it to be much faster than a 6800XT as it will likely have just 60CUsI will critique my own point of view a little - The problem is that we haven't seen what AMD has to offer in the mid/high end yet.
They aren't rushing to release the '7700XT' and '7800XT', which are likely to be (more) desirable in terms of value. A delay seems quite possible.
The 6700 XT and other cheaper cards didn't arrive until months after the initial RDNA2 launch - Unfortunately, this is simply the norm now.
My optimism partly comes from the success of GPUs like the 6700XT... If AMD can offer similar value again, then we may see some real competition in the graphics market again. Apparently, this was one GPU that did appear in reasonable quantities
But, the shortfall of mass produced mid range cards is still a massive problem - it could be that AMD is still focusing on console GPU production?? Where RDNA2 is still sufficient (and cheaper to produce ofc).
AMD too is fond of marketing and gimmicks in a similar vein - I haven't really discussed that because their marketing simply hasn't had the same affect on customers.
Evidence suggests that frame generation is not lame. The simplest form - reprojection - used to great effect in VR.
Check out this LTT video to see the difference simple reprojection makes to the desktop experience:
I've used DLSS 3 in Portal RTX at 4k and it works just fine. And Portal RTX is an awesome demo of RT.
I don't. Why would it be?
The 7700XT should be approx. 50% faster than the 6700XT (50% improvement is the target for the whole generation I think). That would put it roughly where the 6800 XT is.
The only way they will manage >50% performance improvement in 3D graphics, is jacking up the power consumption for the higher end models. I would guess they will need to overclock a lot (beyond 3ghz?), which is probably gonna be something the refresh GPUs can handle.
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One thing I will say about the RTX 4070 (non TI). It may surprise us (many already seem to be writing it off...), just as the RTX 3070's performance surprised people on launch.
It appears to be a cut down version of the AD104 die, with essentially a similar spec, except for having fewer CUDA cores than the full chip. That could affect performance a fair amount, however...
it could end up being the highest clocked GPU of the series, which would help to make up for this reduction.
I remember a while ago, saying on a thread that higher clocked GPUs (relative to other cards in the same generation) tend to offer the best value for customers, in my view, it is something to watch out for. We also know Nvidia has improved their cooling a fair bit, something that I definitely approve of, given the short life of my RTX 3080 fans.
It appears to be a cut down version of the AD104 die, with essentially a similar spec, except for having fewer CUDA cores than the full chip. That could affect performance a fair amount, however...
it could end up being the highest clocked GPU of the series, which would help to make up for this reduction.
I remember a while ago, saying on a thread that higher clocked GPUs (relative to other cards in the same generation) tend to offer the best value for customers, in my view, it is something to watch out for. We also know Nvidia has improved their cooling a fair bit, something that I definitely approve of, given the short life of my RTX 3080 fans.
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I know, why do they have to make stuff better?
You don't need RT to play games, it's a nice looking cinematic effect. You do need a GPU capable of dx9/dx10/dx12 3D acceleration (or vulkan/opengl), for all but the most basic of games.
The thing is, they don't actually include many RT cores in their bottom/mid tier GPUs. They could, and it wouldn't cost much more to double it, but they won't. Because it is still a premium feature, that enthusiasts will pay for.
I will support this feature, but only when they can massively increase the number of RT cores for all but the lowest tier GPUs.
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Twas a joke.
I think it's pretty clear to all that the 7900XT should have really been called a 7800XT and sold for cheaper than its $900 price but unfortunately AMD have decided to follow on from nvidia rather than use an aggressive price to performance strategy to win over marketshare.
I think you'll be lucky if the 7700XT delivers a 15-20% uplift in performance over the 6700XT while the price will probably also increase by 15-20% and I expect similar from nvidia where by cards like the 4070 will match the old 3080 in performance for the same price or a bit more.
All a sudden when new cards arrive we get sponsored games or "tech demos" showcased that don't work so well on the older cards so you need to go out and pay more for the new ones and then 2 years later suddenly those cards then seemingly become rubbish on the next crop of sponsored titles.
Nvidia are the experts at creating problems so they can sell you the solution, they dont push RT to innovate the gaming industry but rather to slow your Gpus down so you have to buy new ones.
It's a lateral move, because RT at the moment always reduces framerate. Why do they have to go sideways?
It's fine if you can hit your framerate target. Should this be 30 or 60? These are the options we see on many console games with RT on or off.
It could be argued that they haven't gone far enough with the amount of RT cores, at a certain point, the RT penalty to framerate is likely to be small, assuming the CPU can keep up. Instead, we got DLSS and upscaling tech. This doesn't actually help at lower resolutions like 1080p, you lose too much of the detail in frames.
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Soldato
"At the moment", things takes time, always have, how do you think everything else got to where it is?
Some evolutionary dead-ends, a complicated series of events leading to bipedal, furless, talking apes, followed by quite a lot of arbitrary decisions, the invention of currency? Feudalism then lead to hordes of console peasants. Then the golden age of mere mortals transcending into members of the PC master Race? There's too many things to list really
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And you don't think there was ever a sideways step in any of that that lead to something better eventually?Some evolutionary dead-ends, a complicated series of events leading to bipedal, furless, talking apes, followed by quite a lot of arbitrary decisions, the invention of currency? Feudalism then lead to hordes of console peasants. Then the golden age of mere mortals transcending into members of the PC master Race? There's too many things to list really
Crabs. Good at sideways stepping. Crabs and crab like creatures have evolved multiple times in Earth's history - It's a good design it seems.
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I'm a crab.Crabs. Good at sideways stepping. Crabs and crab like creatures have evolved multiple times in Earth's history - It's a good design it seems.
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The 69 is not really a gimmick for me.
Other crabs below, each with varying Vram capacities.
Nikola Tesla.
Elon Musk.
Tom Hanks.
Tom Cruise.
Mike Tyson.
Robin Williams.
Princess Diana.
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