Nvidia gimmicks / features pushing up Graphics card prices?

[Dicehunter]

Fake frames?

I don't use DLSS3 frame generation, don't need to & don't want to.

In base performance, without frame generation - the 4090 is still far ahead of AMD & we haven't seen the release of the full size chip yet.

Full size chip I'm guessing they will call the 4090Ti like last gens 3090Ti which was the full GA102 chip, Will be upwards of £2000 starting base price as that chip for the moment will likely be used in their A6000 cards which they sell for many thousands of £££ more. Realistically it'll be 10% faster than the 4090.

But on the FG topic I quite like it, Helps smooth frame rate out.

 

[g67575]

Frame gen. has a lot of potential for both the latest Nvidia and AMD cards...

But we need an option to enable frame gen. at the driver level for it to see mass adoption, in my opinion.

 

[Dicehunter]

Frame gen. has a lot of potential for both the latest Nvidia and AMD cards...

But we need an option to enable frame gen. at the driver level for it to see mass adoption, in my opinion.

It also needs a lot of work for fast paced games like Spiderman, From experience you can see artefacting all over the place with FG on, It's not terrible but if you go looking for it, It's difficult to unsee.

 

[TOW]

Well, it looks like Frame Generation is actually quite a clever technology:

DLSS 3 Frame Generation- major selling point, or worthless marketing gimmick?

What is DLSS 3 frame generation? Can it really double framerates? What are the downsides? In this video I go in depth on my hands-on experience using DLSS 3 ...

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Some impressive 1% lows in the Witcher 3 Next Gen. Noticeably improved vs frame gen off.

Particularly, the ability to reduce load on CPUs. I wonder how many games will support it?

I also wonder if it's basically cloning a lot of data from previous frames, and modifying it slightly.

Not necessarily a problem for most gamers, who don't need to scrutinise every frame.

My issue with technologies like this, is that they just cover up hardware deficiencies, particularly with Ray Tracing cores.

But, certainly could be a nice thing to have for the RTX 4070 and 4070 TI.

It's pretty useful as an add-on feature though, in certain scenarios.

Especially with so many apparent complainers about peak power consumption figures of these cards (not that those consumption figures occur often in real world use + I think those complaining the most are likely not buying the top cards)... for situations where base latency isn't a concern, say something like a new Tomb Raider game - for someone happy with a frame cap to 60fps for sofa gaming and keen on reducing consumption - this kinda thing can cut power consumption in half or less, depending on raw results.

Then things like the latest MS flight sim - users with the new NV cards are reporting noticeable benefits to their gaming experience because of the frame gen tech.

Plus I'm sure there's more examples.

So even if it can and has been used as a peak performance selling point... it's not the only benefit of this & there are use cases where it provides value to the end user & some may like how they can use it to extend the life of their purchase.

It's not at all useful or interesting to me personally - so I haven't even tried turning it on yet.

 

[TOW]

Full size chip I'm guessing they will call the 4090Ti like last gens 3090Ti which was the full GA102 chip, Will be upwards of £2000 starting base price as that chip for the moment will likely be used in their A6000 cards which they sell for many thousands of £££ more. Realistically it'll be 10% faster than the 4090.

But on the FG topic I quite like it, Helps smooth frame rate out.

Supposed leak photo of a new Titan I saw the other day - so maybe we'll see a new Titan this gen & Nvidia might find some middle-ground to milk the 4090Ti name.

Perhaps like one of the last Titan releases, where the Ti was basically the same card but with half the VRAM?

Who knows at this point. But if it's a Titan and with the 4090 at this price... it'll probably be silly pricing around 3k or something.

 

[Rogueywon]

Supposed leak photo of a new Titan I saw the other day - so maybe we'll see a new Titan this gen & Nvidia might find some middle-ground to milk the 4090Ti name.

Perhaps like one of the last Titan releases, where the Ti was basically the same card but with half the VRAM?

Who knows at this point. But if it's a Titan and with the 4090 at this price... it'll probably be silly pricing around 3k or something.

I don't think they'll launch it too soon. The **90 series is basically a Titan rebranded as a consumer card. If you want people to keep shelling out for the **90s, you need to leave them at the top of the stack for a while - at least 12-18 months.

 

[Joxeon]

I don't think they'll launch it too soon. The **90 series is basically a Titan rebranded as a consumer card. If you want people to keep shelling out for the **90s, you need to leave them at the top of the stack for a while - at least 12-18 months.

The 90 series is not a Titan, it's a rebranded 80ti for higher cost.

 

[Rogueywon]

The 90 series is not a Titan, it's a rebranded 80ti for higher cost.

Sorry, I was talking more in terms of price-point than tech specs. It sits on price where the Titans were sat a few generations ago and the implicit promise from Nvidia when you buy is "you're going to have the fastest card around for a while". They let the 3090 sit at the top of the stack for almost 18 months until they released the 3090 Ti.

 

[delta0]

Isn’t the new RTX 6000 just the Titan now? It’s more powerful, lower power consumption and loads more memory.

 

[TOW]

I don't think they'll launch it too soon. The **90 series is basically a Titan rebranded as a consumer card. If you want people to keep shelling out for the **90s, you need to leave them at the top of the stack for a while - at least 12-18 months.

I don't think they'll launch it too soon either - with how relatively (unfortunately) poor the 7900XTX performance is, they have no need to launch quickly... we'll probably see the Titan/4090Ti as a mid-cycle release later in 2023 or start of 2024.

But don't forget that this gen, the 4090 is actually a xx80 tier card, despite how it's been branded... but your point remains, Nvidia have no need to take the hit on 4090 sales while they hold such a strong performance crown.

Sorry, I was talking more in terms of price-point than tech specs. It sits on price where the Titans were sat a few generations ago and the implicit promise from Nvidia when you buy is "you're going to have the fastest card around for a while". They let the 3090 sit at the top of the stack for almost 18 months until they released the 3090 Ti.

Read this after posting above, good I saw your point wasn't so much about the tier than the sales.

It was always annoying when Nvidia would dump the real top card only a few months after the initial release.

Still wish they would dump all options at launch though - even if the Titan/Ti pricing is excessive - I have a bad habit of buying on each new tech release, even got 2x 3090Ti despite the low performance boost... benefit and curse of having a bit too much expendable income & that's why they do it, they know silly sods like me will buy both releases & they clear 2 sales in a generation instead of 1 from those like me. Still gets on my nerves every time though, simply knowing the tactic I'm falling for - but these past years it's more the frustration of rebuilding my water loop and waiting for blocks. I barely received the 3090Ti EK block not much more than a month or so before the 4090 dropped. Couldn't be bothered this time, changed my loop to be CPU-only and still have the 4090 air cooled in my primary rig.

 

[TOW]

Isn’t the new RTX 6000 just the Titan now? It’s more powerful, lower power consumption and loads more memory.

Looking at the cuda cores - and just like last gen - yeah, the new 6000 is the same chip that'll be in the new Titan/4090Ti.

The consumer card usually has faster memory than the enterprise card & it looks like the new Titan will have 48GB too - so the mem bandwidth is about the only difference we'll see.