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nVidia GT300's Fermi architecture unveiled

thebandit said:
pc on a card, to er go in your er pc ?.
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Yo dawg, I heard you like personal computers, so I put a personal computer in your personal computer so you can personally compute while you personally compute.


This thing is going to cost hell. If the GTX295 and whatever drop in price, something good may come of this, it could be a window for competitive marketing to open.

The card itself will cost a lot, so maybe nVidia will drive lower card sales with price drops. At least somewhere in the line.
 
The 384bit bus and GDDR5 seems like a good balance. I'm guessing that means, we'll see 1.5gb cards on launch and 3gb cards down the line.

Hoping this will be equivalent to 2xGTX285 with current games and a fair bit more with newer games.

Hmmm, not sure if I should wait ...
 
thebandit said:
Trouble is, Nvidia seems to be designing a fast GPU that does a lot of other stuff. Question will be is that other stuff of interest to you or do you just want to play games at decent frame rates, if its the later you will be paying a lot for a bunch of functionality you won't use. I sometimes wonder what nvidia's agenda is, they seem to be moving away from pure gfx and trying to build a pc on a card, to er go in your er pc ?.
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well i have to say, with games as they are at the moment they dont really need a more powerful GPU! But CAD and number crunching software will always need the extra boost. As much as I dislike nvidia I have to say I am glad they are going down this path
 
samir_ansari said:
if you think about it, imagine the sort of GPU we could have by now if they had devoted even half as much time and research into their products as their silly code names
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This is why Intel is successful - they just pick any old name of a place and name their new CPU after it. 'Hm this Pentium 4 thing looks a bit faily, let's call it something faggy like Willamette'. Or 'this thing's super awesome, let's call it nehalem, that sounds pretty awesome'. I think Merom applies there too. I think AMD just goes by pop-culture references, though - 'spartan' being the name of their R700 board (the 4870 X2).
 
No love for the other thread? :(

Yeah, this does seem like a monster. Very heavily focused on the HPC market, from the way it has been presented, and also the design of the architecture. We will have to wait and see if this increased generality benefits gaming or not. The improved scheduling and kernal execution could well help efficiency in games, but we will have to wait and see.

This could well be the most important hardware release for a long time. GPUs are definitely heading further in this direction (i.e. more like a restricted parallel CPU cluster), so the performance of this beast could be an indication of the way gaming performance will develop. If it doesn't perform as well as we expect in games (i.e. at least twice the power of GT200) then it could be a bad sign for the next 5-10 years. We may start to see two branches of GPUs develop; one for the HPC market and a 'stripped down' one with less control logic, aimed at gaming.
 
thebandit said:
Trouble is, Nvidia seems to be designing a fast GPU that does a lot of other stuff. Question will be is that other stuff of interest to you or do you just want to play games at decent frame rates, if its the later you will be paying a lot for a bunch of functionality you won't use. I sometimes wonder what nvidia's agenda is, they seem to be moving away from pure gfx and trying to build a pc on a card, to er go in your er pc ?.
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Its because they are all but done as a graphics company. They have no platform, Intel and AMD are both going intergrated gpu on core within 2 years everything they sell will have intergrated gpu's, Nvidia chipsets aren't close to the best for either Intel or AMD anymore so they don't have that.

They have been incredibly slow bringing out midrange/lowend competitive cards and in 2 years will lose the entire most profitable segment they used to compete in.

They've also, by the sounds of it, lost out in the console market meaning another huge loss in total gpu's being sold.

Frankly if they don't move into the accelerated GPGPU market where they will be a very niche product, they'll fold completely.

Nvidia/ATi never made huge cash off the high end products, they make the massive majority off low/midrange cards, which are likely going to be completely intergrated products soon that they can't possibly compete with on price or power.

Nvidia rightly, are moving away from graphics being their main business.

Considering, while its a lot of transistors sure, its actually only double the 280gtx, which had 1.4billion already, it already used a significantly higher amount of transistors than AMD so being 1billion ahead of amd in size doesn't necessarily mean, well anything.

Considering in for instance Battleforge, a 4980 is faster than a 285GTX in dx10.1, what it was designed to do, the extra transistors didn't translate into better performance there and theres no certainty they will here.

They only really focus on the highest of high end market these days, with mid/low end products half a year(if not a lot longer) later than their high end parts, as an afterthought and nothing more. They've been moving to a gpgpu architechture slowly and in a couple years that will be their focus. Without dedicated acceleration of several key gaming features you can't be close to sure it can compete with a dedicated to graphics card.
 
all that power is not needed at he moment...im very happy with my current setup and will be for maybe next 2 years....however nvidia is where my money is going to on my next generation card ;)
 
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