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Nvidia has done it!

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Joxeon said:
Incorrect.
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No.
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CaptainRAVE said:
And of course the fanboys are fanboying for companies that rip them off.
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Yes, but as long as fan company's products are expensive or better yet set at an elite price, then not only are the riffraff not able to buy them, but by extension those who do pay those elite prices are of course elite themselves...

Therefore for real fans of that company raising prices makes them even more exclusive and elite!
 

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That's still a chiplet, it used the same die as that used on all Zen processors from the Ryzen 3 1200 all the way up to the 1950x.

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ISSCC 2018: AMD's Zeppelin; Multi-chip routing and packaging

A look at AMD's Zeppelin SoC and the Infinity Fabric, a multi-chip architecture used by AMD to scale their SoC design from the mainstream PC market all the way to the server market.
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Zeppelin - AMD - WikiChip

Zeppelin is a scalable system on a chip designed by AMD in order to satisfy the need of multiple market segments.
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Zen - Microarchitectures - AMD - WikiChip

Zen (family 17h) is the microarchitecture developed by AMD as a successor to both Excavator and Puma. Zen is an entirely new design, built from the ground up for optimal balance of performance and power capable of covering the entire computing spectrum from fanless notebooks to high-performance...
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Tinek said:
Is it really? Are they losing money? Are their products stuck on shelves and not moving? Is AMD even earning enough from consumer graphics cards market to care, comparing to their enterprise market (without even mentioning CPUs, which sale very well)? Do they even produce enough consumer GPUs for the sale to be a problem? Their market share as per Steam statistics hasn't changed in many years now, it's always about the same.
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Nvidia sell far more GPUs than AMD, why? Because they are seen as better products. If you don’t have the better product or atleast that perception in mindshare then you need to be cheap enough so that people are prepared to disregard the better product in favour of cost.
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And did that force Intel to lower their prices and offer better product for less? Not so much currently, is it? They simply do their Intel thing and still rely on the branding a lot.
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By the 10th gen Intel was offering a 10 core CPU for $500 instead of the $1000 they were previously asking for 10 cores when ryzen first launched so the competition did make a difference. Would Intel have done this in a world without Ryzen?
 

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Joxeon said:
Nvidia sell far more GPUs than AMD, why? Because they are seen as better products. If you don’t have the better product or atleast that perception in mindshare then you need to be cheap enough so that people are prepared to disregard the better product in favour of cost.
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That is my point, though. Brand matters a lot and it takes a very long time to change the mind of buyers. Which is also why it takes a long time for AMD to gain server market share too, even though their CPUs are considerably better. This is also one of the reasons AMD doesn't lose market share amongst gamers, nor gain - they are consistently about the same % according to Steam statistics, over many years.

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By the 10th gen Intel was offering a 10 core CPU for $500 instead of the $1000 they were previously asking for 10 cores when ryzen first launched so the competition did make a difference. Would Intel have done this in a world without Ryzen?
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But did they offer a better CPU for a lower price than competition or simply just moved to about the same level?
 
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adidan said:
I think the first Zens are tricky depending if you're going by definition of the word 'chiplet' or as a design.

I think the original Zen was actually monolithic.
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Original Zen is more than just consumer CPUs and it definitely wasn't monolithic in server CPUs, as it was a MCM consisting of what many call monolithic chaplets. Ergo, Zen 1 is based on chiplets, it's just not that visible in consumer CPUs.
 

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i get a feeling the leather jacket man has no motivation to produce gaming cards in present scenario, i too would have did the same, its perfectly rational behavior... theres just not going to be enough supply, gonna be a re-run of 2020
 
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