Or maybe people on Ebay just like throwing money away? I'm still utterly staggered at the prices 3080 10GB cards are selling for - FE edition sold just yesterday for £620.
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NVIDIA HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT - GPU PRICE CUTS AT OcUK!
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Soldato
Less and less games are using dxr, unless nvidia fund them. Very niche and pointless
mining on ETH is over = no flood? gpu prices going up? oh does that mean that miners wernt the problem after all
Nvidia are taking a $1.3bn hit to profits and scared ****less that they have already agreed inventory coming through to April 2023 which they they think they won't be able to sell. Why do you think they won't be able to sell it?
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Soldato
Delay rtx 4000 series, sell more fe cards. Also 3060ti is EOL
Man of Honour
They could try selling products enough people want at a price enough people can afford.
But they won't. They want a 70% profit margin and they seem willing to lose any amount of sales to get it while pulling every dirty trick they can to manipulate the market. Maybe it'll work out for them, but I think it'll end up shrinking the dGPU market instead. Why spend £2000 on a gaming PC when a £500 console does the job well enough? The PC will do it better, but better enough to justify such a large premium? Then there's the increasing number of people who game on the computer they already have - their phone. Which is actually a handheld computer with phone functionality as a secondary function and can be used for a large and ever-increasing number of games.
nvidia might drop gaming hardware entirely and do only professional hardware because the all-important high profit margins are easier to acquire. But I think they'll try to manipulate the gaming hardware market as harshly as possible for as long as possible, riding it to destruction. Maybe hoping for a resurgence of mining on dGPUs to boost their profits while they pretend they're all about gaming hardware.
But they won't. They want a 70% profit margin and they seem willing to lose any amount of sales to get it while pulling every dirty trick they can to manipulate the market. Maybe it'll work out for them, but I think it'll end up shrinking the dGPU market instead. Why spend £2000 on a gaming PC when a £500 console does the job well enough? The PC will do it better, but better enough to justify such a large premium? Then there's the increasing number of people who game on the computer they already have - their phone. Which is actually a handheld computer with phone functionality as a secondary function and can be used for a large and ever-increasing number of games.
nvidia might drop gaming hardware entirely and do only professional hardware because the all-important high profit margins are easier to acquire. But I think they'll try to manipulate the gaming hardware market as harshly as possible for as long as possible, riding it to destruction. Maybe hoping for a resurgence of mining on dGPUs to boost their profits while they pretend they're all about gaming hardware.
Soldato
RT will also play a big role. If the new cards have substantially better RT and more power efficient to boot then that will make them a lot more attractive. Plus you get the latest shiny and better driver support going forward. Not to mention being original buyer with full 3 year warranty. Certainly better than buying someone’s crusty old 3090 which has little warranty left and has likely been mined on.
All depends on price I guess. If Nvidia price it silly then used 3090‘s will sell for more. As it is I would pay £400 for one if someone was selling it with at least 1 year warranty
If it was purely for gaming i'd agree, the 4070ti / 4080 12GB will perform around the same for £700 is what i'm guessing, that 24GB VRAM is what i'm interested in. As mentioned i'll see what GTC offers up, keynote on Tuesday. The AI models i'm using easily hit 12GB VRAM, and that's not going down over the next couple of years.
For your use case sure, but most here just used the extra vram for Far Cry 6's optional texture pack
If £700 only buys 3090 performance than that will be mega fail. I already had a 3080 for £600 (after selling codes that came with it) and that was only around 15% or so slower. So if after all that time I have to pay £100 more than I did two years ago for a measly 15% extra and 2GB vram then Jensen will end up with another Turing on his hands and will also end up saying ampere friends it is now safe to upgrade to hopper or whatever is after ada
3090 performance should not be more than $500 really.
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^.. huhh ?
You mean what you are willing to pay for a 3090, not the reality of what they should cost. While you were willing to buy a 3080 10GB that had planned obsolescence version written all over it from day one for £650 at least and forget the fact you sold the game codes then for £50 because 3090s came with codes too that could be sold too.
Logic went out of the window with what you actually did in "reality". Also the 3090 was not aimed at gamers and gamers should not have been looking at it in "reality", now I will give you my reality on the 3090 and pro users, it was the best priced card Nvidia has ever given us that didn't come with Titan or Quadro drivers that we didn't need but paid for.
Now I will give you another example of why it was not aimed at gamers, now lets imagine you want to buy a car and have more money than sense and does that mean you should go buy a formula one car instead of an Audi ? Anyone that went and purchased a 3090 or 3090ti purchased a F1 car for F1 car use and they should have had more uses for it than just gaming and more pro use based apps or hobby apps that eat VRAM.
Now the funny thing I keep reading from 3080 10GB owners/ex-owners is they will pay less for a 3090 than their 3080 10GB, are you guys smoking something funky or just playing silly mind games on the owners of 3090s and hoping for a cheap update later ?
Guys stick to logic or you are now making yourselves look childish and actually nasty behaviour. The 3090 was aimed at people with more money than sense if used for gaming only or that was what they could only actually buy at the time or did you forget what happened too ? Or for sensible people that needed the 3090 class cards for their work related apps that eat vram and didn't want to pay Titan/Quadro (A-series) prices for same cards without the drivers.
You know why no 4090s with SLI/NVlink ? because Nvidia are forcing us now to buy their A-series and they realised the 3090s ended up in workstations and they lost sales with the A-series and why you got all them chips rebadged as 3090ti
. They won't make that mistake this time and give users 2 x 90 class cards with the ability to use 48GB VRAM unless you buy A-series.Yes I know the replies that will come now but I will not entertain them because logic and common sense has gone out of the window with this topic.
Also just want to add Nvidia didn't just disrespect their AIBs last 2 generations 20 and 30 series they disrespected the customers too in many ways from prices to nerfed cards sold as premium cards, remember what he said ? The 3080 the "flagship" Ampere
, reality the card we know you will have to replace next gen if not sooner to play the games we know that will be out soon and not allow you to max out the card without more vram, so we will bring out a slightly better one with 2GB more vram and charge you £1000 for it then we will give you another one with same 2 extra GB vram and call it a TI but charge you another £200 for it MSRP which they knew was a fake msrp unless you could get a FE card and ohh wait why no 12GB 3080 FE and forced that version of the card on the AIBs because they didn't want to make an FE with £1000 msrp on it for 2GB extra VRAM but made the AIBs look bad while they were on tighter and tighter margins. Wake up guys to what is happening.
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^.. huhh ?
You mean what you are willing to pay for a 3090, not the reality of what they should cost. While you were willing to by a 3080 10GB that had planned obsolescence version written all over it from day one for £650 at least and forget the fact you sold the game codes then for £50 because 3090s came with codes too that could be sold too.
Logic went out of the window with what you actually did in "reality". Also the 3090 was not aimed at gamers and gamers should not have been looking at it in "reality", now I will give you my reality on the 3090 and pro users, it was the best priced card Nvidia has ever given us that didn't come with Titan or Quadro drivers that we didn't need but paid for.
Now I will give you another example of why it was not aimed at gamers, now lets imagine you want to buy a car and have more money than sense and does that mean you should go buy a formula one car instead of an Audi ? Anyone that went and purchased a 3090 or 3090ti purchased a F1 car for F1 car use and they should have had more uses for it than just gaming and more pro use based apps or hobby apps that eat VRAM.
Now the funny thing I keep reading from 3080 10GB owners/ex-owners is they will pay less for a 3090 than their 3080 10GB, are you guys smoking something funky or just playing silly mind games on the owners of 3090s and hoping for a cheap update later ?
Guys stick to logic or you are now making yourselves look childish and actually nasty behaviour. The 3090 was aimed at people with more money than sense if used for gaming only or that was what they could only actually buy at the time or did you forget what happened too ? Or for sensible people that needed the 3090 class cards for their work related apps that eat vram and didn't want to pay Titan/Quadro (A-series) prices for same cards without the drivers.
You know why no 4090s with SLI/NVlink ? because Nvidia are forcing us now to buy their A-series and they realised the 3090s ended up in workstations and they lost sales with the A-series and why you got all them chips rebadged as 3090ti
Yes I know the replies that will come now but I will not entertain them because logic and common sense has gone out of the window with this topic.
Lol. You talk about logic and common sense and post that drivel. Are you new to graphics cards or something? 3070 was almost one third the price of a 2080 Ti was it not? How about a 1070? I remember people saying it would not be anywhere near Titan performance etc etc. The only time we got duds as I recall of recent was with Turing and we all know how well that sold… So yeah, I think I will stick to my expectations thank you very much
Yes I knew I would get that replyLol. You talk about logic and common sense and post that drivel. Are you new to graphics cards or something? 3070 was almost one third the price of a 2080 Ti was it not? How about a 1070? I remember people saying it would not be anywhere near Titan performance etc etc. The only time we got duds as I recall of recent was with Turing and we all know how well that sold… So yeah, I think I will stick to my expectations thank you very much
.. Read my edit with more to read. My drivel is reality not your imaginary world you live in.Yes I'm new to graphics cards... so new I remember when they came out and graphics was done via the cpu only.
Sorry wrong guy to target, I used computers before they even had screens. I'm not a technology noob and dreamer about what technology should cost for my ego needs. I live in reality and remember what a computer cost with 1KB of ram. Computers use to cost more than a house and your car. Maybe ask your parents
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Yes I knew I would get that reply
So examples I gave did not happen then? What was that, not reality?
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Go back to playing your video games mate and don't involve yourself in hardware aimed at a different market a pro market not gamers. See it's like me I love planes and flying, but I don't have eyes/budget to go buy an Airbus 380 to fly about in when really I should go buy a single engine Cessna, then buy a Cessna and realise oops this thing takes ages to get from A to B and get greedy and want an Airbus A380 and start harassing A380 owners and tell them hey your Airbus A380 is really only worth the cost of its tires and sell it to me for that.So examples I gave did not happen then? What was that, not reality?
The forum has sank to pretty low level in recent weeks.
Rant over.. so don't go making popcorn or sharpening your axes
, guys we are adults most of us on here so lets be adult and live in reality and the reality for most of us is pretty naff at the moment with what is happening in the UK and the world, lets not add more grief and unrealistic wishes.
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And now resorting to straw man. Nice. Yeah, if it has sank you helped it with posts like that.
You won’t even address what I am saying and banging on about something completely different
Hate to break it to you 3070 wasn't better than a 2080ti it was just sold that way by nvidia to you, reality is the 3070ti was closer to the 2080ti but still vram nerfed compared to the 11GB on the 2080ti that's why you are seeing benchmarks now with certain games where the 2080ti beats the 3070,3070ti by large margins because of the lack of VRAM. More of such titles coming soon the 3070/ti were also a disgrace planned obsolescence cards, the only card that should have had 8GB VRAM is the 3060 range but even that had 12GB and the Ti had same 8GB as the 3070 class... where the 70 class should have had 10GB really and all 3080s start from 12GB to 16GB..Lol. You talk about logic and common sense and post that drivel. Are you new to graphics cards or something? 3070 was almost one third the price of a 2080 Ti was it not? How about a 1070? I remember people saying it would not be anywhere near Titan performance etc etc. The only time we got duds as I recall of recent was with Turing and we all know how well that sold… So yeah, I think I will stick to my expectations thank you very much
Guess what 40 series is fixing it now because people like me highlighted that to people that went out and purchased planned obsolescence gpus, and you purchase 2 and even downgraded to a worse card because you scalped your 3080.. and used the profits to buy a 3070 fe again from one FE 3080 to a 3070 fe .. hummm I'm sure you were only allowed to buy one FE card ?
... Knock it off really.I can teach you more in a day about technology and the costs of it and how it has changed our world but you are busy fighting about video games and how to benefit from others losses ...
Game over...
Soldato
Same old faces stirring trouble I see.
Lets see what the lowest SKU this year launches at and how much % increase it offers.
Lets see what the lowest SKU this year launches at and how much % increase it offers.
Hate to break it to you 3070 wasn't better than a 2080ti it was just sold that way by nvidia to you, reality is the 3070ti was closer to the 2080ti but still vram nerfed compared to the 11GB on the 2080ti that's why you are seeing benchmarks now with certain games where the 2080ti beats the 3070,3070ti by large margins because of the lack of VRAM. More of such titles coming soon the 3070/ti were also a disgrace planned obsolescence cards, the only card that should have had 8GB VRAM is the 3060 range but even that had 12GB and the Ti had same 8GB as the 3070 class... where the 70 class should have had 10GB really and all 3080s start from 12GB to 16GB..
Guess what 40 series is fixing it now because people like me highlighted that to people that went out and purchased planned obsolescence gpus, and you purchase 2 and even downgraded to a worse card because you scalped your 3080.. and used the profits to buy a 3070 fe again from one FE 3080 to a 3070 fe .. hummm I'm sure you were only allowed to buy one FE card ?
I can teach you more in a day about technology and the costs of it and how it has changed our world but you are busy fighting about video games and how to benefit from others losses ...
Game over...
Not sure it is worth continuing this conversation with you as you seem to be on one today. But I will leave a link here from tech powerup with their latest 3070 review and you can see there the 3070 is indeed as good a 2080 Ti.
ASUS GeForce RTX 3070 Noctua OC Review - The Quietest Graphics Card
The ASUS GeForce RTX 3070 Noctua OC is the quietest graphics card we ever tested thanks to a dual 120 mm fan setup made by Noctua. It runs so quietly, you'll have to put your ear right next to it to hear it at all even when fully loaded while gaming.
Yes and look at FE results which are there too.
Your the one at it mate. Go read again and see who took issue with who.
Soldato
For gaming the 3090 is stupid, same as the 4090 will be. For my use case a 10-12GB card is VRAM starved so that excludes all of NVIDIA except 3090 and Radeon cards cant do CUDA so that's all of them also. A 4080 16GB at £999 might do the trick, but realistically it'd be a 4090 at £1500-2000; this is for hobbyist purposes not professional use so cant justify that much money for a 4090, A6000 or whatever. GTC is next week so will be watching at the least the keynote to see where things are going, founders 3090s are selling for £720ish currently but I think that's a bit too much still.
Edit: fix typo 3090, not 7090
Edit: fix typo 3090, not 7090
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Soldato
really? So what are they using instead?
It's troll bait, wouldn't waste your time. The fact that even amd sponsored games have ray tracing/dxr is all you need to know about the direction of where game development is going
Only someone with a developer mindset understands the true benefit of rt and who it benefits the most, hint, it's not the consumers