NVIDIA HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT - GPU PRICE CUTS AT OcUK!

[Harlequin]

really? So what are they using instead?

The usual, rasterising and standard lighting. Proven years ago rasterisation can give near dxr output without the performance hit. Those ignoring what carmack and his engine can do (for example) are living in denial or work for nvidia. Oh and i have both top end current gen cards.

 

[Xelene]

RT lighting takes a huge workload off of artists, but in AAA the consoles don't have enough power for it really so wouldn't expect any widescale adoption until PS6 or whatever the hell the call the next Xbox. UE5 fudges it a bit with Lumen.

 

[Nexus18]

The usual, rasterising and standard lighting. Proven years ago rasterisation can give near dxr output without the performance hit. Those ignoring what carmack and his engine can do (for example) are living in denial or work for nvidia. Oh and i have both top end current gen cards.

And those who call RT "niche and pointless" are in denial about the differences and benefits it brings over raster, that or don't understand the technology.

2 facts:

- when done right and from the ground up, ray tracing can perform better than rasterization + RT hybrid i.e. see metro exodus enhanced and the developer 4a enhanced comments although I presume they are bought for by nvidia.... even though they said that under the hood, there is a lot that can be done for amds/console ray tracing when optimised properly hence why metro ee performs very well on rdna 2 too

- you clearly don't realise the amount of time and effort that is put in to get "good" results from rasterization methods, one scene with one set light:



Now imagine having to do this throughout every single scene.... I suppose that is nvidia sponsored footage though?

Question, if RT is only paid for by nvidia then how come amd sponsored games have RT (re village and 3 + 6 remakes, riftbreaker, fc 6, godfall) and non nvidia sponsored games have RT?

PS.

Great educational video:

 

[Harlequin]

No, being in denial doesnt mean itll happen.

 

[Nexus18]

RT lighting takes a huge workload off of artists, but in AAA the consoles don't have enough power for it really so wouldn't expect any widescale adoption until PS6 or whatever the hell the call the next Xbox. UE5 fudges it a bit with Lumen.

Exactly. It's the developers who benefit an absolute **** ton hence why we are seeing so many titles adding some form of rt where possible now (if you worked in any development sector, you would understand just how important having a massive time saver like this is not just for the development team but most importantly from a project budget pov, especially if it means meeting deadlines sooner than later). It's probably easier and quicker to list games coming out these days which don't have RT. Sony have done wonders with the PS 5 and squeezing some great RT performance/effects out of their titles given the lacking hardware they have been provided e.g. ratchet and clank + spiderman. Microsoft are also heavily pushing RT with their upcoming titles. Also, bear in mind this is a new tool/feature as well so there will be a learning curve to it just as developers spent years learning and getting the best from rasterization methods.

To say it is a "nvidia thing" is delusional at best.

 

[Purgatory]

Same old faces stirring trouble I see.

Lets see what the lowest SKU this year launches at and how much % increase it offers.

The floods...have even moved to general discussion area..

The flood of secondhand hardware onto the market is fantastic.

After nearly 3 years of exorbitant pricing and scalpers, those people who have very low budgets can finally upgrade. Seeing a ton of ex mining cards on eBay. RIP mining and cryptocurrency. Hope everyone is enjoying their value upgrades. I’m thrilled to be getting a cheap Z490 rig for a...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

Hate to say it to the op on that thread but you purchased one of intels worst chipsets and cpus for that z490 setup, maybe why it seemed so cheap.. But it's a flood of old tech or not so old but was one of the worst the company at the time made..

I'm still not seeing floods but scaremongering is on the up up up... and only flood of gpus to be sold will come from the same people selling their lightly used 10GB "flagships" or 2080ti killers aka the 3070 class cards with 8GB .. Give it till Tuesday...



Also heads up Taiwan earthquakes will be used to jack up the new gen prices too and create more shortages soon too, even with warehouses full of the new gen ready to be sold and stockpiled high, same happened with 30 series they just drip fed the general public while they sold threw the back doors in pallets to mining firms.

Keep scaremongering guys and keep telling us how great your 3070's and 3080 10GB are while you plan to upgrade. Time is ticking so make sure to push how amazing these cards are before Tuesday and pray he doesn't mention 4080 and 4070 as your cards value will be down the toilet (lets see how they like it when it's aimed at them now ).

 

[Nexus18]

Sounds to me like 3090 owners are praying to the gods that a repeat of this doesn't happen....



Given 3090s aren't even shifting at £725, it's looking likely.... Grim might very well end up smashing his with a hammer

 

[gpuerrilla]

Keep scaremongering guys and keep telling us how great your 3070's and 3080 10GB are while you plan to upgrade. Time is ticking so make sure to push how amazing these cards are before Tuesday and pray he doesn't mention 4080 and 4070 as your cards value will be down the toilet (lets see how they like it when it's aimed at them now ).

It doesnt take a genius to work out the agenda. Better hope its more than the 10% that's been spouted for two years otherwise its the most expensive sidegrade you'll ever make.

 

[TNA]

Sounds to me like 3090 owners are praying to the gods that a repeat of this doesn't happen....



Given 3090s aren't even shifting at £725, it's looking likely.... Grim might very well end up smashing his with a hammer

Just stop it mate. Enough with your agenda. Look, it just is not realistic expecting what has happened many times in the past to happen again. Trust me, I have been using computers since they had 1KB RAM, which apparently means I know what I am talking about

Anyway, I think I can hear the sirens, the mods might be visiting soon with some of the antics in here

 

[dazzlaa]

Sounds to me like 3090 owners are praying to the gods that a repeat of this doesn't happen....



Given 3090s aren't even shifting at £725, it's looking likely.... Grim might very well end up smashing his with a hammer

When I sold my 2080ti there was a few people convinced they were only worth £300. Becoming abusive when I rejected their offer. Still don’t think I’ve seen a 2080ti sold for that low to this day.

 

[Xelene]

People buying 3090 unless in very specific circumstances are idiots. If you want to mine, well good luck with that. If you want to game, just get a 4080, it'll be faster. If you do professional work then you bought one already and it paid for itself. Now you've just got dregs of the market like me that want to dick about with Stable Diffusion, game in 1440p and are happy to undervolt it.

 

[TNA]

When I sold my 2080ti there was a few people convinced they were only worth £300. Becoming abusive when I rejected their offer. Still don’t think I’ve seen a 2080ti sold for that low to this day.

Don't think anyone in here defending behaviour like that mate. One can make the offer but no one should be getting abusive. Plus I can see why people would rather not sell at that price after paying a four figure sum for one. Some would rather smash it I hear

 

[Nexus18]

Just stop it mate. Enough with your agenda. Look, it just is not realistic expecting what has happened many times in the past to happen again. Trust me, I have been using computers since they had 1KB RAM, which apparently means I know what I am talking about

Anyway, I think I can hear the sirens, the mods might be visiting soon with some of the antics in here

It doesn't take a genius to work out the agenda.....

Sadly seems to be the way of the forum these days, people can't/won't answer/address the points so resort of the usual "fanboy" drivel or just avoid the question completely and then go on to another topic, tbf to purgatory though, he does provide more substance and some good logic to his posts on some occasions than the usual one liners drivel or the "nvidia bad, amd good" lectures of certain others

When I sold my 2080ti there was a few people convinced they were only worth £300. Becoming abusive when I rejected their offer. Still don’t think I’ve seen a 2080ti sold for that low to this day.

Yup that bit I snipped was just for a laugh

Most of the 2080tis went for £500 iirc after the 3070 announcement (before the serious shortages hit)

Don't think anyone in here defending behaviour like that mate. One can make the offer but no one should be getting abusive. Plus I can see why people would rather not sell at that price after paying a four figure sum for one. Some would rather smash it I hear

Indeed, was hilarious reading the ampere thread back then, people saying a 3080 would cost £1k and then seeing the reactions of 2080ti owners come the 3070/3080 announcement I so hope nvidia come out with similar price to performance again just so I can see all the usual suspects reactions

TBF though, I am expecting nvidia to take the **** this time round

 

[Xelene]

NVIDIA have been taking the **** for years now, they obviously are focussed on Enterprise at this moment and throw us a bone here or there so that Jensen can have a spatula moment. AMD are quite happy to charge us whatever the hell they can get away with, no love or loyalty for either.

 

[Purgatory]

It doesn't take a genius to work out the agenda.....

Sadly seems to be the way of the forum these days, people can't/won't answer/address the points so resort of the usual "fanboy" drivel or just avoid the question completely and then go on to another topic, tbf to purgatory though, he does provide more substance and some good logic to his posts on some occasions than the usual one liners drivel or the "nvidia bad, amd good" lectures of certain others



Yup that bit I snipped was just for a laugh

Most of the 2080tis went for £500 iirc after the 3070 announcement (before the serious shortages hit)



Indeed, was hilarious reading the ampere thread back then, people saying a 3080 would cost £1k and then seeing the reactions of 2080ti owners come the 3070/3080 announcement I so hope nvidia come out with similar price to performance again just so I can see all the usual suspects reactions

TBF though, I am expecting nvidia to take the **** this time round

Sadly the real 3080 12GB did cost £1k ... the 3080 10GB was nvidia's move to upset AMD because they had a good set of cards this time round. You know this and I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

I wish you guys would just all agree the 20,30 series were a bad joke to the customers that purchased them, yes they were good cards but the way they were sold to us and the prices were silly too, the 2080ti was a major shock at £1200 for a card not really much faster than a 1080ti at the time and only really showed how much more powerful it was when you turned on RTX and that's because the 1080ti didn't have them hardware features.

30 series well was a mess from day one because clearly Nvidia wasn't going to give GA102 chips cheap but they clearly knew what AMD had and decided to make sure to nerf the cards in some way so they gave worst binned GA102 chips with 10GB and called them "flagships" and fooled people and when the jig was up they created the 3080 series family, you know to make it feel all cuddly and gave you the extra 2GB and slightly better binned chip for £1000 and that's what it really cost and stuck that to the AIBs to sell. Hey why wasn't the 3080Ti part of the 3080 family ? it's a 80 class card too, because they didn't want it there looking lower than it deserved to be, the whole Ti thing is worthless now, where it meant you spend more get something a good bit better, reality was the Ti and 12GB model were performing about the same depending on the cooler added to the cards and VBIOS power limits.


Guys what most of us here are saying is don't defend a company that is behaving unethically and are abusing their position in the market, they are damaging the whole GPU market with their behaviour now in my books and will be just a matter of time people will say enough and other companies will do the same too eg the AIBs, one down with EVGA and more to come for sure with the 40 series around the corner in a world in recession.

And now resorting to straw man.

 

[Nexus18]

Sadly the real 3080 12GB did cost £1k ... the 3080 10GB was nvidia's move to upset AMD because they had a good set of cards this time round. You know this and I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

I wish you guys would just all agree the 20,30 series were a bad joke to the customers that purchased them, yes they were good cards but the way they were sold to us and the prices were silly too, the 2080ti was a major shock at £1200 for a card not really much faster than a 1080ti at the time and only really showed how much more powerful it was when you turned on RTX and that's because the 1080ti didn't have them hardware features.

30 series well was a mess from day one because clearly Nvidia wasn't going to give GA102 chips cheap but they clearly knew what AMD had and decided to make sure to nerf the cards in some way so they gave worst binned GA102 chips with 10GB and called them "flagships" and fooled people and when the jig was up they created the 30 series family, you know to make it feel all cuddly and gave you the extra 2GB and slightly better binned chip for £1000 and thats what it really cost and stuck that to the AIBs to sell. Hey why wasn't the 3080Ti part of the 3080 family ? it's a 80 class card too, because they didn't want it there looking lower than it deserved to be, the whole Ti thing is worthless now, where it meant you spend more get something a good bit better, reality was the Ti and 12GB model were performing abut the same depending on the cooler added to the cards and VBIOS power limits.


Guys what most of us here are saying is don't defend a company that is behaving unethically and are abusing their position in the market, they are damaging the whole GPU market with their behaviour now in my books and will be just a matter of time people will say enough and other companies will do the same too eg the AIBs, one down with EVGA and more to come for sure with the 40 series around the corner in a world in recession.

And do you think that the extra 2gb vram and "ever so slightly" better hardware has somehow made the "3080 12gb" the "real card" and most importantly.... proved to be worth the extra £450? In fact, weren't the 12gb 3080s going for £1100/1200 on release?

And there are many other comparisons showing the same.

I think we all can agree that turing was a complete disaster for the reasons you mentioned and with RT and DLSS being a complete and utter fail. Ampere was leagues ahead in both price and with it came the RT + DLSS improvements to make it a more appealing gpu/feature set worth buying in. You can't deny that the 3070 and 3080 were/are fantastic value for money compared to the competition and previous nvidia gen (yes obviously it was some clever tactics by nvidia with the pricing but that doesn't change the fact that nothing could come close hence why pretty much every tech reviewer/journalist has picked the 3080 as being the best gpu for this gen, who really cares about what path they took as long as the end result is there?)

 

[TNA]

Guys what most of us here are saying is don't defend a company that is behaving unethically and are abusing their position in the market

Where did I do that? All I did was give my opinion on what 3090 performance should cost in next gen cards and you lost your **** and went on a tangent about stuff that had nothing to do with what I said

I am no fan of Nvidia. Never particularly liked Jensen. I just call it as I see it and buy what suits me.

 

[Purgatory]

And do you think that the extra 2gb vram and "ever so slightly" better hardware has somehow made the "3080 12gb" the "real card" and most importantly.... proved to be worth the extra £450? In fact, weren't the 12gb 3080s going for £1100/1200 on release?


And there are many other comparisons showing the same.

I think we all can agree that turing was a complete disaster for the reasons you mentioned and with RT and DLSS being a complete and utter fail. Ampere was leagues ahead in both price and with it came the RT + DLSS improvements to make it a more appealing gpu/feature set worth buying in. You can't deny that the 3070 and 3080 were/are fantastic value for money compared to the competition and previous nvidia gen (yes obviously it was some clever tactics by nvidia with the pricing but that doesn't change the fact that nothing could come close hence why pretty much every tech reviewer/journalist has picked the 3080 as being the best gpu for this gen, who really cares about what path they took as long as the end result is there?)

Well we have AMD to thank for that, as the 3080 would have been on GA104 not GA102 and the 90 class cards would have all been Titans.

That's why the 30 series looked good and have to thank AMD for that as they forced Nvidia's hand.

Turing was a nightmare for the top end 2080ti was silly money, 2080 wasn't a bad card but over priced too. 30 series only looked good compared to the 20 series, if the 30 series came out as 20 series we would have still complained and said too expensive, it's just many of us were waiting for an upgrade as Turing wasn't it and well most said what the hell seems pricing is this from now so time to update and swallowed our pride and gave our money to Nvidia.

It's all part of the brain washing, Apple did the same to their customers and Nvidia is now copying Apple to the point they want to kill off their AIBs and run the full show as Apple does.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Well we have AMD to thank for that, as the 3080 would have been on GA104 not GA102 and the 90 class cards would have all been Titans. That's why the 30 series looked good and have to thank AMD for that as they forced Nvidia's hand.

So.. what were saying is, "if AMD were competitive then I would consider buying them" from the Turing era ended up not fixing the diehards at all and in fact it just proves the brands are loyal to nobody, certainly not your fwends and will charge whatever they feel? Got ya!

 

[dazzlaa]

Don't think anyone in here defending behaviour like that mate. One can make the offer but no one should be getting abusive. Plus I can see why people would rather not sell at that price after paying a four figure sum for one. Some would rather smash it I hear

I sold it for £550 soon after the 3000 announcement. Was happy with that despite the losses. But yeah, some think that by being abusive, one might change their mind? It’s Facebook marketplace though so you kind of have to expect weird behaviour I guess.