Nvidia Is Happy With The Performance Of Fermi

[Tute]

That wasn't aimed at you VR, I typed out a long post, then read through some others and changed my mind.

 

[Duran]

I don't believe the steam survey is representative of the current market as the majority are old 32bit XP systems running 7600s and such.

They don't even list the ati 5 series.

i dont know what you are talking about when steam survey indicates that 70% of the systems are equipped with a dx10 gpu. way better than your quoted survey that shows 53% of the systems with integrated intel gpus. talk about irrelevant study to the topic... people that have steam installed are gamers with dedicated gpus fitted in their rigs. so admit that you were wrong and dont post another reply that makes no sense or even better dont post anything at all

LooL were talking about the todays market share not stuff based on the steam data collection thing, 80% of the GPUs used in that survey a years old, actual sales in todays market is much closer. ATI have caught up with NV and if Fermi is anything but amazing, they will overtake them.

you fail at reading? NOVEMBER 2009. steam hardware survey is done monthly.

 

[Tute]

In fairness, I would take the Steam Survey as we're talking about the discrete card market here - nobody with integrated graphics are ever likely to even download Steam, let alone install it.

But then again - according to most surveys, IE rules the roost with browsers. Does that mean it's the best browser?

 

[gurusan]

i dont know what you are talking about when steam survey indicates that 70% of the systems are equipped with a dx10 gpu. way better than your quoted survey that shows 53% of systems with integrated intel gpus. people that have steam installed are gamers with dedicated gpus fitted in their rigs.

The point is that most of the systems have GPUs which were not purchased in the last several quarters so it doesn't give an indication of the market share!

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Be more pressure from ATi in Jan, as they are going to unveil another 12 cards at CES, the 5300/5400/5500/5600's.

 

[Duran]

The point is that most of the systems have GPUs which were not purchased in the last several quarters so it doesn't give an indication of the market share!

it does when you can see that the amount of market share that ati gained back with the 5xxx series is tiny and insignificant.

 

[Dauthi]

The point is that most of the systems have GPUs which were not purchased in the last several quarters so it doesn't give an indication of the market share!

Shouldn't that mean there should be a large target market then?

Should be interesting in Jan with ATI releaseing the new cards & if stock gets sorted.

Along with fermi possably putting people off buying atm.

Edit: I don't think Nvidia would ever publicly say they aren't happy with fermi's performance. That would be PR suicide.

 

[veryrandom101]

i have to say this, but that survey is nov 09, and from many dif forums i've been reading, many people only started getting their cards around dec, christmas time. also dont forget about the major stock shortage of ati's that had happened. the demand was so high they increased prices, and someone even tried to sell his 5870 at a little profit. then also add nvidia's stock problem now, and you can tell that within a month or 2, that survey will change, possibly drastically too. I'll admit that previously nvidia did have most of the market share, but the times they are a changin'

edit: Also dont forget the pirates, which are gamers and buy graphics cards. it really is a huge thing downloading games for free, and steam would be one of the last things they would want. And when needed they would use offline modes and everything. That hardware survey is really only showing the average, or slightly lower average.
Unless you get sales figures from both ati and nvidia, you dont really have enough information for it to be truly solid information, and to tell if things are changing or not

 

[Calabi]

Shouldn't that mean there should be a large target market then?

Should be interesting in Jan with ATI releaseing the new cards & if stock gets sorted.

Along with fermi possably putting people off buying atm.

Edit: I don't think Nvidia would ever publicly say they aren't happy with fermi's performance. That would be PR suicide.

No it means the majority of people are perfectly happy with not upgrading their systems and are even content with integrated graphics.

The majority of people get a new graphics card when they buy a new system it would appear from the survey. I believe thats where the majority of sales in graphics are, from fresh built systems.

In a year perhaps you might see lots of systems with 5*** cards if they are popular.

 

[reiyushin]

could you point me an nvidia card that is completely out of stock in OCUK apart from the gtx 295?

Sorry I'll rephrase... you point me in the diection of reasonably priced nvidia GPUs that are in stock?

There is currently no reason to but NV over ATI (unless the 275 is exactly on your needs/budget)... price/performance ATI/AMD has the market sewn up. Fermi is going to have to be spectacular to pull back the losses in market share (poviding the 5XXX cards stock gets sorted)

250 < 5750
260 < 5770/4890
285 < 5850

The ATI cards are all equal or cheaper than their NV rivals.

The only things NV can do to keep ahead is;
-Pray AMD stock shortages continue (which, if the recent announcement about 40nm yields is true, looks unlikely)
-Make Fermi a work of art: price, performance + drivers all spot on.

I'll be watching fermi's performance closely... GFX card is next on my upgrade list and as a consumer I'm excited by the prospect of a price war

 

[Broken Hope]

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20091228PD207.html

Nvidia is expected to delay its next-generation DirectX 11-supporting GPU (Fermi) to March, 2010, while AMD will launch more GPUs in January-February, according to sources from graphics card makers.

Nvidia originally scheduled to launch Fermi in November 2009, but was delayed until CES in January 2010 due to defects, according to market rumors. However, the company recently notified graphics card makers that the official launch will now be in March 2010, the sources noted.

Nvidia plans to launch a 40nm GDDR5 memory-based Fermi-GF100 GPU in March, and will launch a GF104 version in the second quarter to target the high-end market with its GeForce GTX295/285/275/260, the sources pointed out.

For performance level markets, Nvidia will allow its GeForce GTS250, GT240/220 and 9800GT/9500GT defend against AMD's Radeon HD 5770/5750, 4870/4850 and 4670/4650.

For the mainstream market, Nvidia will mainly push its GeForce 210.

Meanwhile, AMD will launch 40nm Radeon HD 5670/5570 (Redwood) and HD 5450 (Cedar) GPUs at the end of January or in February 2010, the sources noted.

In related news, although Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company's (TSMC's) 40nm process yields have already improved, capacity is still not sufficient to supply the two GPU giants fully which may have an impact the launch schedules, the sources added.

 

[Rroff]

Although AMD have the lead at the moment... and their architecture is easier to produce cost effectively with the current process size(s)... they are going to start hitting the scaling ceiling a lot sooner than nvidia - already you are starting to see diminishing returns from longer shader pipelines and soon issues with latency will start to creep into certain parts of the pipeline. At which point they will be at a disadvantage as they will need to go back to the drawing board while nVidia still have a lot of milage out of the current design once manufacturing issues are ironed out.

 

[IceWind]

I think ATI are probaly well aware of this already and probaly have something in developement to combat against this. The 5xxx series is simply hitting ceiling of what the currect architecture is capable of, so they are bleeding it for every penny it is worth before having to move to a more expensive process

 

[unknownsock]

umm them people are spending £300.00 on a ps3 and loads of games hense why pc games market is dropping

£300.00 on a graphics card to plays 1 games is not good value... also fermi will probably be what about £400 for say the 380 probably £300 for 360 which i agree are expensive but sure ati will have to drop to £200 or lower on the 5870. so people at moment are paying over £150 for somthing at moment

That is so wrong, you dont need a £300gfx card to play at console detail.
And people always forget about the current exchange rate when comparing the price's.

 

[Rroff]

You can build a PC for about £300 that will play at atleast console resolution/detail.

 

[jms198]

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20091228PD207.html
Nvidia plans to launch a 40nm GDDR5 memory-based Fermi-GF100 GPU in March, and will launch a GF104 version in the second quarter to target the high-end market with its GeForce GTX295/285/275/260, the sources pointed out.

For performance level markets, Nvidia will allow its GeForce GTS250, GT240/220 and 9800GT/9500GT defend against AMD's Radeon HD 5770/5750, 4870/4850 and 4670/4650.

So let me get this straight; The 200s are going to be rebadged again as the GF100 will not be viable gaming cards?

Allowing the age old G92 to compete against the 4 series not not sound like a strategy to me.

 

[Rroff]

"and will launch a GF104 version in the second quarter to target the high-end market with its GeForce GTX295/285/275/260, the sources pointed out"

That doesn't make sense whichever way around you read it... and unless they stick DX11 on there its going to look extremely silly going up against the 5 series with 200 series cores before many more months have past.

GT240/220 is nowhere near competitive with the 48xx GPUs and the 250 would need a massive overclock to stick with the 4870 or 5770.

 

[TruffleShuffle]

they are not in a good position atm but i'm sure they'll be fine in the future. lets not forget its nvidia we're talking about here... best gpu maker in the world. ati with the 5xxx series managed to win back 0.25% (lol) markeshare from nvidia last month due to the stock shortages. btw lets not forget that in the real world which is way different than this biased forum people are still buying nvidia cards.

This reminds me so much of 3DFX, making the BEST gpu's in the world. They had a full range for all market segments. Then they focussed all their efforts on a single uber card after new on the scene, upstart Nvidia released better tech at lower prices. The new card was supposed to save them but ended up not seeing the light of day.

Now the same thing is happening to Nvidia (who having bought 3DFX you would have thought would have seen this coming).

Just becuase you're a big name, doesnt mean you can be complacent. To be 6 months behind the curve is a LONG time in PC technology. And to be putting all your eggs in one basket, well even nursery children know the end of that story

 

[Rroff]

nVidia will be fine, the G92 cores are still selling well in their various guises and aslong as they can get the manufacturing issues sorted they won't have many problems with Fermi and have some decent openings in the HPTC type markets to exploit which should give them an ok source of income even if its not a massive earner in the short term.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

This!

I love how they're saying it'll be the fastest GPU on the market... OFC it will be, it's facing off against tech 6 months old!

That being said, I'm still excited... PRICE WAR!!!!!

considering that fermi design was panned out ages ago and its manufacturing issues that are causing the delays, its not exactly correct to say fermi will be going up against 6months old hardware.