Nvidia Is Happy With The Performance Of Fermi

Tute · 28 Dec 2009 at 03:09

Well yes but you won't stop technology evolving. What ATI did was just common sense. Shrink the 4000 series and fill the empty space with more shaders.

Don't forget, coders aren't going to add Dx11 without hardware support and vice versa.

PermaBanned · 28 Dec 2009 at 03:24

Gills said:
nVidia are perfectly placed imo. Being behind at the moment is no bad thing. Ok, they dont have the crown of having the fastest card available right now, but their fastest card (gtx295) will play any game and when they do have their dx11 cards out, there will at least be more than 2 games to play on it. I don't see the problem in where they are. This 'half generation' as you put it can be caught up very quickly. Look at ATI when dx10 cards appeared and nVidia had a 6 month head start on them.

nVidia are in the ****s to be honest. Where did they get the brilliant idea to only release cards for the ultra top end? Seriously...

drunkenmaster · 28 Dec 2009 at 03:28

Gills said:
It certainly would and will be interesting once the Fermi cards are released. The HD5xxx market (for dx11) is not needed at the moment, what game can a 4870x2 not play ? Rightly so, nVidia are not rushing things but letting their 'followers' know that their cards are pretty fast. Also, there is only so much Dirt2 you can play, I bet 99% of dx11 owners at the top end are not even using their cards properly yet.

Yup, Nvidia are perfectly placed, for a company that sells graphics cards, their low end market is dissappearing, completely, forever. They aren't selling more than a handful of mid and high end cards till Fermi is released, they've made little profits on their high/mid end for the past 6 months, when Fermi is released they won't have mid end, or low end parts. The high end will either cost more than people will spend, or make little to no profit.

NVidia are in the perfect place, are you nuts? A gpu making company that is losing its highest volume segment in the near future, and currently has one generation behind parts for sale that perform less and cost more than the competition while making less profit. They don't sell a mid end, and probably won't have a mid end card for at least 6 more months, they don't sell a high end card, and they probably won't have one for 3-4 months. Seriously, thats a great position to be in?

It would be completely different if A, they were selling mid and high end cards right now while waiting on Fermi, B, they made a profit, C, their low end for probably the next year, wasn't a generation behind and slower than the competition, D they could produce their high/mid end at yields that offered them price performance parity with AMD, at any level and could make a profit doing so.

They are failing, basically, in every single possible way right now and Fermi won't help them with a single one of their big problems.

New gen cards aren't a big deal, at all, as long as you can still sell your old gen.

The 2900XT was stupidly late and ended up a marvel of production efficiency, but ATi sold millions of X1950pro's at a ridiculously competitive price while Nvidia was selling a far smaller number of 8800 based cards. This situation Nvidia aren't even producing their "x1950pro" let alone selling it by the bucket load while waiting for their 2900XT. I say the 2900xt was a marvel of technology because it was a core design every which way for the 65nm process, and they managed to rework it and get it out on a 80nm process, which is frankly, brilliant, it came very very close in performance. Fermi is designed for the 40nm process, the process is here, they can't make it. Can you imagine them pushing Fermi back and making it on the 55nm process?

veryrandom101 · 28 Dec 2009 at 04:33

i agree with drunkenmaster, at the moment nvidia are in trouble, getting few good chips out of the many they attempted to make, i know thats a while back, but still that shows there's some serious work to be done. and they are/were panicking too hence all the 'fakes' and fermi confusion. obviously ati is going to be dominating for a while.
People are complaining about the prices of the hd5870's at the moment, but what do you think is going to happen when nvidia releases their monster? sure it will wipe everything out the water for months to come, and will be 'the king', i bet no one here has doubts about that, but then nvidia have always been the more expensive brand, so what are people going to say when nvidia releases its 'rich mans' card'? unless they can lower prices dramatically, it shall stay with ati, because i dont think £300 for a 5870 is bad at all, specially considering its performance, and im sure nvidia is going to be a HELL of a lot more.
well the 5870 at the moment can pretty much run anything, at awesome speeds too, so for the 'average' gamer that doesnt have a mega-pay job, what are they going to go for? people are going for the 5770s and 5850s at moment cause 300 is 'too much to spend on a graphics card'... HAHAHAHA i cant wait to hear what they say when they see the prices for the nvidia

i thought i was negative, well i have a feeling those complaints about nv prices will make the ati's driver complaints seem like complaining about the weather too sunny. in the end its going to be nvidia replacing the 5870/5970 for richie rich, and the 5870 becoming the new 5770, which i guarantee they will reduce prices heavily due to nvidia's release, making the 58xx series the affordable, great performance card, which will keep kicking nvidia in the face till they can release a mainstream affordable card

Duran · 28 Dec 2009 at 09:48

they are not in a good position atm but i'm sure they'll be fine in the future. lets not forget its nvidia we're talking about here... best gpu maker in the world. ati with the 5xxx series managed to win back 0.25% (lol) markeshare from nvidia last month due to the stock shortages. btw lets not forget that in the real world which is way different than this biased forum people are still buying nvidia cards.

dragy2k · 28 Dec 2009 at 10:08

Duran said:
they are not in a good position atm but i'm sure they'll be fine in the future. lets not forget its nvidia we're talking about here... best gpu maker in the world. ati with the 5xxx series managed to win back 0.25% (lol) markeshare from nvidia last month due to the stock shortages. btw lets not forget that in the real world which is way different than this biased forum people are still buying nvidia cards.

when buyin an nvidia card these days its hard not to stumble upon a renamed g92 variant , the reason there still selling them is due to most people not having a clue what there buying , i find it deceitful and dishonest , but thats the way business is done ,like it or not we need nvidia ......if only to lower ati's prices .
and you have to remember that lots and lots of people dont research or visits forums before buying graphics cards.

Gerard · 28 Dec 2009 at 10:15

Duran said:
they are not in a good position atm but i'm sure they'll be fine in the future. lets not forget its nvidia we're talking about here... best gpu maker in the world. ati with the 5xxx series managed to win back 0.25% (lol) markeshare from nvidia last month due to the stock shortages. btw lets not forget that in the real world which is way different than this biased forum people are still buying nvidia cards.

ZOMG LOL!!

markiejt · 28 Dec 2009 at 10:20

veryrandom101 said:
People are complaining about the prices of the hd5870's at the moment, but what do you think is going to happen when nvidia releases their monster? sure it will wipe everything out the water for months to come, and will be 'the king', i bet no one here has doubts about that, but then nvidia have always been the more expensive brand, so what are people going to say when nvidia releases its 'rich mans' card'? unless they can lower prices dramatically, it shall stay with ati, because i dont think £300 for a 5870 is bad at all, specially considering its performance, and im sure nvidia is going to be a HELL of a lot more.
well the 5870 at the moment can pretty much run anything, at awesome speeds too, so for the 'average' gamer that doesnt have a mega-pay job, what are they going to go for? people are going for the 5770s and 5850s at moment cause 300 is 'too much to spend on a graphics card'... HAHAHAHA i cant wait to hear what they say when they see the prices for the nvidia i thought i was negative, well i have a feeling those complaints about nv prices will make the ati's driver complaints seem like complaining about the weather too sunny. in the end its going to be nvidia replacing the 5870/5970 for richie rich, and the 5870 becoming the new 5770, which i guarantee they will reduce prices heavily due to nvidia's release, making the 58xx series the affordable, great performance card, which will keep kicking nvidia in the face till they can release a mainstream affordable card

umm them people are spending £300.00 on a ps3 and loads of games hense why pc games market is dropping

£300.00 on a graphics card to plays 1 games is not good value... also fermi will probably be what about £400 for say the 380 probably £300 for 360 which i agree are expensive but sure ati will have to drop to £200 or lower on the 5870. so people at moment are paying over £150 for somthing at moment

reiyushin · 28 Dec 2009 at 10:27

LoadsaMoney said:

This!

I love how they're saying it'll be the fastest GPU on the market... OFC it will be, it's facing off against tech 6 months old!

That being said, I'm still excited... PRICE WAR!!!!!

reiyushin · 28 Dec 2009 at 10:29

Duran said:
btw lets not forget that in the real world which is way different than this biased forum people are still buying nvidia cards.

Could you point us in the direcion of stock then?

Duran · 28 Dec 2009 at 10:37

dragy2k said:
when buyin an nvidia card these days its hard not to stumble upon a renamed g92 variant , the reason there still selling them is due to most people not having a clue what there buying , i find it deceitful and dishonest , but thats the way business is done ,like it or not we need nvidia ......if only to lower ati's prices .
and you have to remember that lots and lots of people dont research or visits forums before buying graphics cards.

do all these really matter? i wouldnt buy an nvidia card either these days but lots of people do.

reiyushin said:
Could you point us in the direcion of stock then?

could you point me an nvidia card that is completely out of stock in OCUK apart from the gtx 295?

markiejt · 28 Dec 2009 at 10:39

reiyushin said:
Could you point us in the direcion of stock then?

umm check the people who like to sing about lolly pops....

a lot of there mainstream systems have Nvidia cards.

People need to remember that £200-£550 cards are a small market and not mainstream

also point me in direction of sensible priced 5870 - 5970 or 5850?

gurusan · 28 Dec 2009 at 10:59

Duran said:
they are not in a good position atm but i'm sure they'll be fine in the future. lets not forget its nvidia we're talking about here... best gpu maker in the world. ati with the 5xxx series managed to win back 0.25% (lol) markeshare from nvidia last month due to the stock shortages. btw lets not forget that in the real world which is way different than this biased forum people are still buying nvidia cards.

really dude that's a bunch of BS.

Last I checked ATI had 20% of the market share while NVIDIA had 25%. If you really want to talk about the "real world" Intel had 53% of the graphics market share at the end of Q3.

http://www.behardware.com/news/10511/gpu-igp-market-share.html

Duran · 28 Dec 2009 at 11:05

gurusan said:
really dude that's a bunch of BS.

Last I checked ATI had 20% of the market share while NVIDIA had 25%. If you really want to talk about the "real world" Intel had 53% of the graphics market share at the end of Q3.

http://www.behardware.com/news/10511/gpu-igp-market-share.html

how about discrete gpus that gamers use? http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

googleing is not always your friend sometimes you have to search a little harder my young padawan.

gurusan · 28 Dec 2009 at 11:15

I don't believe the steam survey is representative of the current market as the majority are old 32bit XP systems running 7600s and such.

They don't even list the ati 5 series.

RavenXXX2 · 28 Dec 2009 at 11:16

LooL were talking about the todays market share not stuff based on the steam data collection thing, 80% of the GPUs used in that survey a years old, actual sales in todays market is much closer. ATI have caught up with NV and if Fermi is anything but amazing, they will overtake them.

thebandit · 28 Dec 2009 at 11:20

I think all GFX companies would agree that 53% of the overall GFX market is preferable over a larger % of the high end gaming market.

Anyway, back on to Fermi, I am just about bored to death of Fermi talk, I think Nvidia just need to shut up and get on making the damn thing, instead of blowing off about how good the only one they have working the lab is.

Gills · 28 Dec 2009 at 13:00

Duran said:
they are not in a good position atm but i'm sure they'll be fine in the future. lets not forget its nvidia we're talking about here... best gpu maker in the world. ati with the 5xxx series managed to win back 0.25% (lol) markeshare from nvidia last month due to the stock shortages. btw lets not forget that in the real world which is way different than this biased forum people are still buying nvidia cards.

This.

veryrandom101 · 28 Dec 2009 at 13:02

markiejt said:
umm them people are spending £300.00 on a ps3 and loads of games hense why pc games market is dropping

£300.00 on a graphics card to plays 1 games is not good value... also fermi will probably be what about £400 for say the 380 probably £300 for 360 which i agree are expensive but sure ati will have to drop to £200 or lower on the 5870. so people at moment are paying over £150 for somthing at moment

ummm, if you have a look at most peoples comp specs, you'll see that they'll have spent thousands on their computers, because we're (ok, mines mostly cheap, but wasnt when i bought the bits) dedicated to good ol pc gaming and the wasd + mouse combination. there will always be a computer market, and its still extremely strong, but true you are right, the consoles are trying to destroy that , but that will never happen. All you need to do is play a console port game to understand how dated their technology is (ok, ps3 excluded for moment, xbox 360 you are destroyed by the pc mwuhaha) and will get. look at operation flashpoint 2, i was extremely shocked! graphic-wise it was poor, very poor. so when dx11 starts becoming used more and more, there will be those gamers wanting to see and play an incredible visual experience. And that price isnt for 'a' game, look at the massive performance difference you are getting, that alone is pretty much worth the asking price.
Back to the nvidia/ati thing, people love new technology, look at all the hype for dx10 and how many people upgraded and used beta windows just to use it. you already can tell that these new-gen cards are the way forward, and once the pricing comes down (for ati that is :-)

) i predict a huge boost in sales for ati. If the 5870 does drop to around 200, well flip me over and throw flour in my face is that the bargain of the century!
Unless, which is also a major possibility, nvidia does something special like it did with the 8800gt. if they do, screw everything above, amd are ruined

veryrandom101 · 28 Dec 2009 at 13:15

come on, i wasnt that bad.. i get negative when im down, and now im one of the biggest trolls. you're cruel tute, i hope i never meet you cause i bet you have a mean bully face

lol