Nvidia making GameWorks Source Code Publicly available

humbug · 18 Mar 2016 at 16:50

thesmokingman said:
It's not open source. The license specifically states that they can revoke your license at any time. Thus there is no point to touching the code, only looking at it. With the wording the way it is, it is folly to touch the code given they can yank the leash at any time.

If thats true it looks a little dangerous.
You could spend years developing a game with Nvidia's open source code and suddenly they turn and say "nah... we changed our mind, you can't use any of it now"

AlamoX · 18 Mar 2016 at 16:51

ppl are puting words in nvidia's mouth, they never said it was open source, although they announced it in a way that make it look like it's the same thing as gpuopen, so ppl link this to that and you get this open source confusion
knowing nvidia, that was probably on purpose

, ppl who doesnt know better live with the misconception

thesmokingman · 18 Mar 2016 at 16:52

AlamoX said:
ppl are puting words in nvidia's mouth, they never said it was open source, although they announced it in a way that make it look like it's the same thing as gpuopen, so ppl link this to that and you get this open source confusion
knowing nvidia, that was probably on purpose , ppl who doesnt know better live with the misconception

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

AlamoX · 18 Mar 2016 at 16:53

thesmokingman said:
Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

where is my prize? i want my prize!

humbug · 18 Mar 2016 at 16:56

Well.... what a load of old crap. *disappointed face*

thesmokingman · 18 Mar 2016 at 16:58

humbug said:
Well.... what a load of old crap. *disappointed face*

It's a headline grab, take attention away from something else.

humbug · 18 Mar 2016 at 17:00

Are they learning from Gorge Osborn?

andybird123 · 18 Mar 2016 at 17:24

Has anyone actually read the licence? Just asking as this is supposed to be on github, but for the life of me I can't actually find it...

tommybhoy · 18 Mar 2016 at 17:31

Source Code: Developer shall have the right to modify and create derivative works with the Source Code. Developer shall own any derivative works ("Derivatives") it creates to the Source Code, provided that Developer uses the Materials in accordance with the terms of this Agreement. Developer may distribute the Derivatives, provided that all NVIDIA copyright notices and trademarks are used properly and the Derivatives include the following statement: "This software contains source code provided by NVIDIA Corporation."

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/FaceWorks/blob/master/license.txt

thesmokingman · 18 Mar 2016 at 17:35

tommybhoy said:
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/FaceWorks/blob/master/license.txt

You forgot the best part. Or why did you NOT include this part??

Term: This License is effective until terminated. NVIDIA may terminate this Agreement (and with it, all of Developer’s right to the Materials) immediately upon written notice (which may include email) to Developer, with or without cause.

tommybhoy · 18 Mar 2016 at 17:43

Because it was more helping andy out as he couldn't find it, is that ok?

D.P. · 18 Mar 2016 at 17:47

thesmokingman said:
You forgot the best part. Or why did you NOT include this part??

Which is entirely standard, the same kind of statement appears on my work contract, mortgage, credit card, car insurance etc.

thesmokingman · 18 Mar 2016 at 17:52

D.P. said:
Which is entirely standard, the same kind of statement appears on my work contract, mortgage, credit card, car insurance etc.

Which has nothing to do with this, but carry on.

Sin_Chase · 18 Mar 2016 at 17:57

thesmokingman said:
You forgot the best part. Or why did you NOT include this part??

And?

You expect any company to not protect their interests with such clauses? Almost all business, contracts, agreements etc etc will reserve termination and other rights.

thesmokingman · 18 Mar 2016 at 18:02

Sin_Chase said:
And?

You expect any company to not protect their interests with such clauses? Almost all business, contracts, agreements etc etc will reserve termination and other rights.

Lmao. That's the whole point. It is not open, but they are giving that impression that it is, when in reality they can yank it anytime. Logically this means no one would touch the code. lol, you never read the verbage on an actual open source disclaimer have you?

Sin_Chase · 18 Mar 2016 at 18:08

thesmokingman said:
Lmao. That's the whole point. It is not open, but they are giving that impression that it is, when in reality they can yank it anytime. Logically this means no one would touch the code. lol, you never read the verbage on an actual open source disclaimer have you?

Except, nVidia are not making it open source. They are making the source code publicly available. Big difference.

What are you whining about exactly? Where has it been stated that GameWorks Libraries are being made OPEN source rather than source code being publicly available? It was overclock3d.net drawing comparisons with AMD's offerings, not nVidia. Or are you all jumping on Roy the Numpty's tweets trying to score cheap points?

layte · 18 Mar 2016 at 18:10

So now tedious dullards cant cry about not being able to see the source, we are going to have crying about the license.

Amazing.

D.P. · 18 Mar 2016 at 18:15

thesmokingman said:
Which has nothing to do with this, but carry on.

It has everything to do with this. The License is completely standard, of course Nvidia have the right to terminate the license agreement. If a developer breaks the licensing rules then of course Nvidia will want to terminate the license, it would make the entire license pointless if the developer could do whatever they wanted with no repercussions.

Gamesworks isn't being made license free or under any kind of freeware license, it is a propriety license that lets developers view and modify the source code to their hearts content and mitigate any claims that it is a black box they can't optimize against. Developers can modify as they wish and pass on the modification to other developers as well.

Nvidia is just maintaining the IP ownership of the source code, which is perfectly understandable.

thesmokingman · 18 Mar 2016 at 18:16

Lmao, this just turned into a circle jerk.

D.P. · 18 Mar 2016 at 18:17

thesmokingman said:
Lmao. That's the whole point. It is not open, but they are giving that impression that it is, when in reality they can yank it anytime. Logically this means no one would touch the code. lol, you never read the verbage on an actual open source disclaimer have you?

Nvidia never claimed it is open source, it is explicitly not!

From the developer's perspective there is basicaly no difference in usage so it is fairly irrelevant