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Nvidia now at 90% market share.

Apparently that it's pointless and they shouldn't either bother trying. I'm surprised they haven't pulled out of the consumer GPU market already, especially if they have no appetite for it.
Why do you think they're still bothering?

Sunk Cost Fallacy, they have a dGPU footing, they once had decent mind and marketshare, they don't want to let go of the idea that they can turn it around, for someone who once was competitive with Nvidia its a huge thing to let go of.

With that said i think they are starting to come around to the idea that its over, hence the cancelation of high end RDNA 4 and ending it to be replaced with rebranded workstation GPU's, if we don't buy them there are plenty others who will. That's how AMD see their future, solely workstation GPU's that they can rebrand as gaming cards just to keep their foot in it.
 
We don't buy a lot more AMD GPU's when they are cheaper. Not enough, it hardly moves the needle, what do you think this teaches AMD?
There could also be other factors involved. Brand loyalty and brand recognition. I thought cards like the 6800xt were fantastic against the 3080.

I don't know what the uptake on those cards were but did they sell well?. I mean I thought amidst the crypto boom and china tripling the prices of the rare materials needed to make a GPU/CPU that AMD could have capitalise on it.

But then Nvidia releases the 3080ti which then cost about 2k and people still bought that over the £800 6800xt even though it wasn't that far behind in performance. Why is that?

I can only assume Nvidia brand loyalty and brand recognition and AMD inability to move in on the situation. And this was before AI and ray tracing becoming more of a thing. Now the big green machine is getting close to total dominance.

It reminds me of when bulldozer launched and it was getting the kind of hate that intel is getting now it took years to climb it's way back. They have done it and it can be done is it reasonable to think that maybe not maybe within the year or two but further down the line they can turn their graphics division around like what they did to their cpu around? Because if they can't it not the high end that suffers as there will always be people whobuy the halo/flagship regardless of cost but most of the market is towards the low-mid range demographic.

Intel have shown they can challenge the low end market but will the uptake from consumers be there?
 
A lot of the time they do already. Admittedly DLSS has an edge over other upscaling and RT performance is better (but at lower end that isn't much of a factor anyway) but people have preconceived notions about other cards cause they read something on the internet 10 years ago and are adamant anything non Nvidia is terrible.
Clearly it matters to the market to not be somewhat worse and somewhat cheaper. It also doesn't help to get rid of the stigma by just calling yourself a premium brand, while having launch issues such as the hot spot "bug".

At the moment, they're just unable to make GPUs that are wanted by a higher number of people.
 
There could also be other factors involved. Brand loyalty and brand recognition. I thought cards like the 6800xt were fantastic against the 3080.

I don't know what the uptake on those cards were but did they sell well?. I mean I thought amidst the crypto boom and china tripling the prices of the rare materials needed to make a GPU/CPU that AMD could have capitalise on it.

But then Nvidia releases the 3080ti which then cost about 2k and people still bought that over the £800 6800xt even though it wasn't that far behind in performance. Why is that?

I can only assume Nvidia brand loyalty and brand recognition and AMD inability to move in on the situation. And this was before AI and ray tracing becoming more of a thing. Now the big green machine is getting close to total dominance.

It reminds me of when bulldozer launched and it was getting the kind of hate that intel is getting now it took years to climb it's way back. They have done it and it can be done is it reasonable to think that maybe not maybe within the year or two but further down the line they can turn their graphics division around like what they did to their cpu around? Because if they can't it not the high end that suffers as there will always be people whobuy the halo/flagship regardless of cost but most of the market is towards the low-mid range demographic.

Intel have shown they can challenge the low end market but will the uptake from consumers be there?

I do think reviews pay a significant part in it, while the RX 6800 XT was received ok the conclusion was still they are all too expensive even against Nvidia's much more expensive cards and not worth buying due to the lack of DLSS and RT performance, it wasn't until they went EOL where AMD was practically giving them away that they started to be recommended, that's when sales picked up, just not enough, there is still RX 6000 series stock floating about.
AMD can't sell them at throwaway prices on launch like these reviewers want them to.

HUB said he would reserve judgment on the $1200 4080 until the RX 7900 XTX was released, a complete copout on commenting on that silly price, when the 7900 XTX was launched his review on it was brutal and seemingly for no reason, he just seemed to hate it.

The $900 7900 XT was idiotic but the 4070 Ti was near the same price as the 7900 XTX, no one, not one of them had anything to say about that. All we remember is the 7900 XT was stupidly priced, stupid AMD, no one remembers the 4070 Ti being even worse, there is a reason for that....
The 4070 Ti S is still £800+ now, that doesn't seem to bother any of them, hypocrites.
When you're able to sell at 70% margins unchallenged in a market you also have a 90% share in you have a lot of R&D to play with.
 
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Clearly it matters to the market to not be somewhat worse and somewhat cheaper. It also doesn't help to get rid of the stigma by just calling yourself a premium brand, while having launch issues such as the hot spot "bug".

At the moment, they're just unable to make GPUs that are wanted by a higher number of people.

Even when AMD had the better cards in the past, people still didn't buy them as much. See the 7970, 4870 etc. They did better but they were still outsold by Nvidia despite being the better offering. RDNA2 was arguably as good or better (outside of RT) per $ but still didn't sell.

The 5700XT was great for the money too.
 
Even when AMD had the better cards in the past, people still didn't buy them as much. See the 7970, 4870 etc. They did better but they were still outsold by Nvidia despite being the better offering. RDNA2 was arguably as good or better (outside of RT) per $ but still didn't sell.

The 5700XT was great for the money too.
AMD had 2x the market share during RDNA 2 and 3x during the 5700xt. You can clearly see AMD's market share taking a nose dive as they're trying to copy Nvidia and become a "premium" brand.
 
AMD had 2x the market share during RDNA 2 and 3x during the 5700xt. You can clearly see AMD's market share taking a nose dive as they're trying to copy Nvidia and become a "premium" brand.
Yes but 2x is still only 20-25% of the market. Nvidia still massively outsold them even with inferior products. That's my point. Even when they were "better" people still wouldn't buy them.
 
Yes but 2x is still only 20-25% of the market. Nvidia still massively outsold them even with inferior products. That's my point. Even when they were "better" people still wouldn't buy them.
Only? Current AMD would be drooling for that kind of market share. You have to go a long way back to find AMD with a superior product that was not late to the market. AMD Tahiti maybe? The market share was pretty much 50-50 back then.
 
Even when AMD had the better cards in the past, people still didn't buy them as much. See the 7970, 4870 etc. They did better but they were still outsold by Nvidia despite being the better offering. RDNA2 was arguably as good or better (outside of RT) per $ but still didn't sell.

The 5700XT was great for the money too.
HD 7970 was so "good" that it equal the mainstream gtx680, which got sold as high end and also was a bit cheaper...

Anyway, you don't take market share in 1-2 gens, but over a period of time. Plus, at the time, AMD was in a better position (as market share) than it is now.
 
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Only? Current AMD would be drooling for that kind of market share. You have to go a long way back to find AMD with a superior product that was not late to the market. AMD Tahiti maybe? The market share was pretty much 50-50 back then.
It got close to 50/50 for about 6 months then dropped again to what it was before and that was 12 years ago. I am not talking about what the company wants anyway, I am talking about what the customer does.

It has long been an issue where people will buy Nvidia regardless and only want AMD to be competitive to drop Nvidia prices.
 
Even when AMD had the better cards in the past, people still didn't buy them as much. See the 7970, 4870 etc. They did better but they were still outsold by Nvidia despite being the better offering. RDNA2 was arguably as good or better (outside of RT) per $ but still didn't sell.

The 5700XT was great for the money too.
This is down to brand recognition I suspect and you find that everywhere. Look how popular iPhones are...
 
Only Nvidia benefits from the continued existence of AMD (and now Intel) in the space, as it stops them from being viewed as a monopoly and being investigated as such.

Sadly I think this is correct, AMD receive so much hate for their GPUs. Whatever they do is not enough, reading though the comments here, AMD get blamed for the state of the GPU market. Nvidia can do wrong, AMD is responsible for Nvidia's high pricing and market strategy it seems in the eyes of these commenting. I would like AMD leave the Dedicated GPU space and focus on their APUs in things like consoles, hand held PCs etc where they are successful. Let someone else try and fill the gap of supplying Nvidia with a non monoply alternative.
 
Sadly I think this is correct, AMD receive so much hate for their GPUs. Whatever they do is not enough, reading though the comments here, AMD get blamed for the state of the GPU market. Nvidia can do wrong, AMD is responsible for Nvidia's high pricing and market strategy it seems in the eyes of these commenting. I would like AMD leave the Dedicated GPU space and focus on their APUs in things like consoles, hand held PCs etc where they are successful. Let someone else try and fill the gap of supplying Nvidia with a non monoply alternative.
I too would like to see what AMD can do fully with the soc market because I think they can redefine the pc gaming space with it.

I won't be surprised if the steamdeck has outsold all GPUs from this generation from Nvidia and AMD in the DIY space
 
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If that 7900xt would have launched at current prices it would have been a different thing. Now is at the end of a gen, of course it won't matter much. Probably I'd still pick nVIDIA :P
 
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