NVIDIA PsyOps Against HD 7970

[setter]

Im actually running the msi frame limiter now in game, capped to 59 fps in bf3. Still using sli, and still oc'd. Still on a 60Hz lcd, though hopefully getting the new benq 120Hz xl soon. In bf3, with a single card i had to drop to a mix of high and medium to maintain playable frame rates. With sli, im on ultra, no msaa, high post aa. Without the frame limiter i average 90fps, vram use at 1200mb ono. With the limiter on, the game plays very fluidly, but the cards run 15-20c lower than without it, which helps keep the noise down. Id love to be able to cool theese cards better, but sadly no aftermarket coolers support sli. And if i did want to clock them higher, id likely need a more beefier psu, (hx 850w at the min), but ive seen too many horror stories of motherboard 24 pin atx sockets being blown with highly clocked i7's and 470's on 850w psu's.

 

[tommybhoy]

but sadly no aftermarket coolers support sli

 

[setter]

Is that your own rig mate? Heres how my current setup stands.

Board spacing is actually pretty good for stock cooled cards, compared to other x58 boards. See my 460's in a p6 x58de below.

The 460's have the gigabyte windforce coolers, unlike the reference cooled 470's, they dump the heat into the case.

 

[Marine-RX179]

'NVIDIA Engaged in PsyOps Against HD 7970: Chinese Forum

A lot has been said about NVIDIA's upcoming product with which it will compete against AMD's Radeon HD 7900 series, except of course, pictures, benchmarks, and so on. Chinese tech forum ChipHell accused NVIDIA of deploying shills across forums to shape public opinion about the already-launched HD 7900 series, towards waiting for NVIDIA's competitive product, these include blind talk about imaginary performance superiority, killer price, etc.

Business is business, Amd would possibly do the same thing imo.

The irony is that is it the same happened prior to the launch of the 6970...with all kind of rumors flying around saying how they will be faster than the GTX580 for same or less price. So perhaps AMD should had been accused of engaging PsyOps as well? Oh, and need I mention about the poor souls that waiting for Bulldozer? Even after launch, AMD is still banging about their "8 cores" CPU, when we all know some of them cores ain't even proper cores. So business is business...all companies could potential play dirty one way or the other.

 

[OCPete]

Those that got the unlockable 2Gig 6950s at ~£200 got a great deal but I think the real lucky ones are those that got the GTX470s @ £160 (unless your VRAM limited) - most of them clock to stock GTX480 performance with little effort.

IMO the EOL 480's were just as good! But i'll admit I am biased.

I got my Asus for a shade under £200 from here. Easily clocked to stock 580 speeds, and with a Zalman cooler its cool and quiet. Perfect!

 

[Cleeecooo]

If someone's already got a decent card, then there's no point buying a 7970 now, if they don't have a card at all, then only will I recommend a 7970.

 

[Biffa]

Depends, if they are looking to at a new card and they have the budget then if they are using anything at GTX470 or under level I'd reccomend one if they can get it at a good price (sub £420) and don't want to SLI/CF

 

[djxput]

That was exactly how they managed to kill 3DFX. The 6000 never even released, yet according to Nvidia it was rubbish.

funny I just dug up a old 3dfx mousepad I got with my was it the 5500 and I just tossed out my 5500 into the garbage at christmas (I cried a little) I think I remember paying 350 for that thing dollars. And ya had to clean out my moms basement in the states so old stuff had to go; unless I wanted to use that thing.

And I had been ****ed at nvda for years because of their policey toward what they did with 3dfx - bought company then left all users out to dry with the updates etc ...
guess its a good way to get rid of competition

anyways ...

 

[ALXAndy]

750-770 is pretty doable on the few 470's ive clocked, (my own and a few mates) on stock voltage. Ive run my own pair at 750 daily since i got them. Theyll do 800/1600/1700 on 1.012, game and bench stable. But tbh, theres no real need for it with what im playing.

The 470 is a fantastic clocker.

I used to have mine on a Zalman V3000F @ 755mhz linked shaders on stock volts. What was very interesting though were the yields per % overclock.

For example, stock clock as you know is around 604mhz IIRC. When I pushed to 660mhz (roughly a 10% yield) I got an exact yield in 3DMark Vantage and 11. So for example if I scored 4200 before the overclock in 3dm11 I would then score 4620 at 660mhz.

So I pushed on to 720mhz (20% over stock clock) and sure enough, 20% improvements in all of the benchmarks I ran (Mafia II, 3dm11, Vantage, Heaven, Troplcs).

At 750mhz which is roughly 25% yield over 604mhz I scored 25% better FPS and scores than that of the factory clocks.

Which is very very impressive. Sadly, a 25% yield in some games such as Crysis only really added like 5 FPS. Which is nice of course, but wouldn't get you out of trouble on something like BF3.

One of the best cards I've had was my 470. I got it in October of 2010 for £174 from OCUK on a week special. Chucked on a £25 Zalman and I was away.

 

[ALXAndy]

funny I just dug up a old 3dfx mousepad I got with my was it the 5500 and I just tossed out my 5500 into the garbage at christmas (I cried a little) I think I remember paying 350 for that thing dollars. And ya had to clean out my moms basement in the states so old stuff had to go; unless I wanted to use that thing.

And I had been ****ed at nvda for years because of their policey toward what they did with 3dfx - bought company then left all users out to dry with the updates etc ...
guess its a good way to get rid of competition

anyways ...

Yeah

At the time of the 5500 launch I had stepped away from both of them. They were giving it *** for tat and it was becoming really silly. At that time I was using a 32mb 3Dlabs Oxygen AGP with my faithful Voodoo 2 cards in SLI with it.

Which of course, slaughtered both of their GPUs lol.

But yes, I find it incredibly hypocritical that Nvidia used the "But our card only has one GPU on it and it's faster than one of the two GPUs on a 5500 !" line.

Especially now that here they are pimping SLI and quad GPUs.

Which of course just goes to prove that they really were just talking crap on 3DFX. Because their killer app is something they said was absolutely ridiculous crap, and slow.

*sigh*

 

[coupe69]

The 470 is a fantastic clocker.

I used to have mine on a Zalman V3000F @ 755mhz linked shaders on stock volts. What was very interesting though were the yields per % overclock.

For example, stock clock as you know is around 604mhz IIRC. When I pushed to 660mhz (roughly a 10% yield) I got an exact yield in 3DMark Vantage and 11. So for example if I scored 4200 before the overclock in 3dm11 I would then score 4620 at 660mhz.

So I pushed on to 720mhz (20% over stock clock) and sure enough, 20% improvements in all of the benchmarks I ran (Mafia II, 3dm11, Vantage, Heaven, Troplcs).

At 750mhz which is roughly 25% yield over 604mhz I scored 25% better FPS and scores than that of the factory clocks.

Which is very very impressive. Sadly, a 25% yield in some games such as Crysis only really added like 5 FPS. Which is nice of course, but wouldn't get you out of trouble on something like BF3.

One of the best cards I've had was my 470. I got it in October of 2010 for £174 from OCUK on a week special. Chucked on a £25 Zalman and I was away.

Hold on a minute, I didn't think you overclocked

I've always lived by the philosophy that I should really buy what it is I want, and not something less and then try and make it into what I want.

PCs are no exception. If I have to overclock something to make it do what I want it to do natively I would rather pass and save up some more money.

Yet another one of your contradictory posts

 

[ALXAndy]

Hold on a minute, I didn't think you overclocked



Yet another one of your contradictory posts

No, it's just a case of you assuming I left it that way.

It was only for testing. As I said, push comes to shove it wouldn't have helped much any way. 20% of say, 30 FPS is 6FPS. If a game is running at 24 FPS (IE, not fast enough) then 25% would make it scrape past what I consider acceptable.

Which relates perfectly to my philosophy of trying to turn something into what it isn't. I could have said "wow, this is almost as fast as a 480 !". But it isn't is it?

And given that the gains of overclocking (and risking your hardware) rarely make it absolutely worth while doing I don't bother.

 

[Cleeecooo]

No, it's just a case of you assuming I left it that way.

It was only for testing. As I said, push comes to shove it wouldn't have helped much any way. 20% of say, 30 FPS is 6FPS. If a game is running at 24 FPS (IE, not fast enough) then 25% would make it scrape past what I consider acceptable.

Which relates perfectly to my philosophy of trying to turn something into what it isn't. I could have said "wow, this is almost as fast as a 480 !". But it isn't is it?

And given that the gains of overclocking (and risking your hardware) rarely make it absolutely worth while doing I don't bother.

have to agree with this. Overclocking is pointless unless performance DEMANDS it!

 

[dazzerd]

Those that got the unlockable 2Gig 6950s at ~£200 got a great deal but I think the real lucky ones are those that got the GTX470s @ £160 (unless your VRAM limited) - most of them clock to stock GTX480 performance with little effort.

Yes but the 480 offer at 150.00 was even better

 

[setter]

The 470 is a fantastic clocker.

I used to have mine on a Zalman V3000F @ 755mhz linked shaders on stock volts. What was very interesting though were the yields per % overclock.

For example, stock clock as you know is around 604mhz IIRC. When I pushed to 660mhz (roughly a 10% yield) I got an exact yield in 3DMark Vantage and 11. So for example if I scored 4200 before the overclock in 3dm11 I would then score 4620 at 660mhz.

So I pushed on to 720mhz (20% over stock clock) and sure enough, 20% improvements in all of the benchmarks I ran (Mafia II, 3dm11, Vantage, Heaven, Troplcs).

At 750mhz which is roughly 25% yield over 604mhz I scored 25% better FPS and scores than that of the factory clocks.

Which is very very impressive. Sadly, a 25% yield in some games such as Crysis only really added like 5 FPS. Which is nice of course, but wouldn't get you out of trouble on something like BF3.

One of the best cards I've had was my 470. I got it in October of 2010 for £174 from OCUK on a week special. Chucked on a £25 Zalman and I was away.

Stock clocks on my own are 630mhz, (factory oc gigabytes). One card isnt great for bf3 tbh, with sli it's a lot better. One good thing about the frostbite engine, it utilises sli very well, sadly though bf3 itself is an extremely buggy game. Unlike bc2 and moh, both of which are nigh on perfect.

 

[Cleeecooo]

Yes but the 480 offer at 150.00 was even better

That was well after it was EOL though

 

[ALXAndy]

Stock clocks on my own are 630mhz, (factory oc gigabytes). One card isnt great for bf3 tbh, with sli it's a lot better. One good thing about the frostbite engine, it utilises sli very well, sadly though bf3 itself is an extremely buggy game. Unlike bc2 and moh, both of which are nigh on perfect.

I don't get why Frostbite II was so broken for me tbh

I say that because Frostbite (in BFBC2) was incredible. It was the only game I tried when doing a Quadfire article that actually ate everything you threw at it.

Yet all I had with FBII were issues. Serious, game breaking issues.

have to agree with this. Overclocking is pointless unless performance DEMANDS it!

It very very rarely does. What I mean is, when your system is not powerful enough any more then you can do what you like. Balance a pineapple on your head whilst singing it a song, for example. It's not going to make your system do anything more really.

Kinda like how BF3 made my 295s look ten years old and not less than two years old. Nothing I did could have made it any better, because annoyingly the hardware was simply out of date.

Sure, overclocks do definitely supply gains. That's irrefutably true. However, in most scenarios they provide no visible gain. And and an overclock could not, nor should not, ever be considered as a way to make your hardware do what it should be doing sans overclock.

I did overclock the 470. However, within two days I put it back to stock. It didn't do anything visible that it couldn't do before. Plus I was constantly worried for those two days.

I overclocked my I7 once. Again, was done for writing purpose (just to prove that you can actually overclock with an Alienware) but again, any gains were points in benchmarks. It certainly didn't make my computer feel any better than it already was.

 

[Tute]

I post my opinion

And therein lies the problem. Is it really your opinion? Or is it just your opinion because you don't want/can't afford one?

I mean come on, you have to understand the thinking here. You post threads designed to wind people up, hide behind the reasoning as "your opinion" and just shout down people that try to even so much as discuss it with you.

 

[Cleeecooo]

snip

Whilst i don't disagree with you, lets not turn this into a thread slagging people off... we have GD for that

 

[Tute]

Yeah, fair enough.