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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

Vram is very cheap for the manufacturers and with the money they are charging for gpus it's quite clearly planned to make you need to upgrade sooner in the future.

That's the point, a £1400 (realistically) 5080 with vram that can almost be filled right now never mind in a few years is wrong. Don't justify that crap.
 
Vram is very cheap for the manufacturers and with the money they are charging for gpus it's quite clearly planned to make you need to upgrade sooner in the future.

That's the point, a £1400 (realistically) 5080 with vram that can almost be filled right now never mind in a few years is wrong. Don't justify that crap.
I don't think it's to make you upgrade sooner. I think it's to avoid marketing a GPU with 20-24GB VRAM at a price point that makes it attractive for LLM use and would ultimately eat into their other product lines.
 
Good to see Derbauer now designing waterblocks for gpu , makes me want the FE even more . I know he is also make a block for the Astral which i have on preorder but would be just as happy with a FE and this block ( save a load of cash as well ) :D

 
People are actually insane.

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If this isn't from official sources and are coming from scalpers, they deserve what they get. I hate scalping, but people paying 3+ times the MSRP are also the problem and they don't have a warranty if things go wrong either.

It highlights how many people have stupid amounts of money to be honest.

As in, enough money that it really doesn't matter if they spend £5-6k on a graphics card.
 
It highlights how many people have stupid amounts of money to be honest.

As in, enough money that it really doesn't matter if they spend £5-6k on a graphics card.
Fools and their money............

Even more scary is I have read of people taking out loans to get graphics cards as well.
 
Fools and their money............

Even more scary is I have read of people taking out loans to get graphics cards as well.



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It highlights how many people have stupid amounts of money to be honest.

As in, enough money that it really doesn't matter if they spend £5-6k on a graphics card.

In truth there are very few people that are willing to buy for those inflated prices. There’s probably only a few thousand people in the market for a 5090 in total (in the UK).
 
Even with a loan, it’s still a hell of a lot cheaper than those scalped prices.

Still it's a bit nuts either way.

I remember my uncle bought a packard bell, Pentium 60Mhz PC in 95. It was 'top of the range' (at least that was what he was told, I was only 10 and knew nothing at the time) for it's time and cost him circa £1600 and he got it on tick from Currys, by the time he paid it off, he already had a complete new setup and this computer was relegated to the utility room off the kitchen for me and my cousin to mess about on. My point is, it's stupid to take a loan for PC parts unless it's a short term one because by half way through paying it off, you're likely to want to upgrade again.

For those that might be interested It looked liked this(this is not actually it, I stole this pic off the web)
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Anyone tried an undervolt/ overclock combined yet? I'm just starting today on my MSI Trio OC 5080. Initial impressions.........really good!

I was big into undervolting with the curve method in Afterburner on my 3090, but the technique I used before doesn't work properly on the 5080. I found this guy's vid regarding the 4090, and it seems to work perfectly on the 5080 too:


- My first aim is to try and achieve the same performance as stock (or slightly above) whilst using less volts, less power and ergo less heat production. So I'm running the curve at 0.9v with core at ~2.83 sustained clock, and ~1000mhz boost on the mem. Quick and dirty results for Steel Nomad in 3D Mark:

Stock: 83fps (with stock volts reading ~1.02, and power draw at ~350W)
First (conservative) custom curve: 86fps (with volts at fixed 0.9 and power draw at only ~ 270W)

Not tested properly for stability etc yet, but it bodes really well and I'll set a number of profiles pushing more and more whilst keeping volts, power draw and temps as low as possible.

For those that haven't tried undervolting/ overclocking - why not? You get the same, or better(!) performance for much less power draw and lower temps. My case has pretty ****** airflow (it's a gorgeous and pretty expensive old Lian Li glass cube thing) so I kind of have to do this, but it's a no brainer for everyone to give it a go.
 
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Anyone tried an undervolt/ overclock combined yet? I'm just starting today on my MSI Trio OC 5080. Initial impressions.........really good!

I was big into undervolting with the curve method in Afterburner on my 3090, but the technique I used before doesn't work properly on the 5080. I found this guy's vid regarding the 4090, and it seems to work perfectly on the 5080 too:


- My first aim is to try and achieve the same performance as stock (or slightly above) whilst using less volts, less power and ergo less heat production. So I'm running the curve at 0.9v with core at ~2.83 sustained clock, and ~1000mhz boost on the mem. Quick and dirty results for Steel Nomad in 3D Mark:

Stock: 83fps (with stock volts reading ~1.02, and power draw at ~350W)
First (conservative) custom curve: 86fps (with volts at fixed 0.9 and power draw at only ~ 270W)

Not tested properly for stability etc yet, but it bodes really well and I'll set a number of profiles pushing more and more whilst keeping volts, power draw and temps as low as possible.

For those that haven't tried undervolting/ overclocking - why not? You get the same, or better(!) performance for much less power draw and lower temps. My case has pretty ****** airflow (it's a gorgeous and pretty expensive old Lian Li glass cube thing) so I kind of have to do this, but it's a no brainer for everyone to give it a go.
The margins will exist to ensure stability across thousands of units. That means most should be able to reduce it and be fine but it will be flakey for others I presume
 
Still it's a bit nuts either way.

I remember my uncle bought a packard bell, Pentium 60Mhz PC in 95. It was 'top of the range' (at least that was what he was told, I was only 10 and knew nothing at the time) for it's time and cost him circa £1600 and he got it on tick from Currys, by the time he paid it off, he already had a complete new setup and this computer was relegated to the utility room off the kitchen for me and my cousin to mess about on. My point is, it's stupid to take a loan for PC parts unless it's a short term one because by half way through paying it off, you're likely to want to upgrade again.

For those that might be interested It looked liked this(this is not actually it, I stole this pic off the web)

True, don't want to go too far off topic, but thankfully these days all PC parts last significantly longer and perform very well for many years as long as they don't die. I remember the days when brand-new GPUs came out every 6 to 12 months with much better performance and usually had a new DirectX version to go along with it, making the previous generation close to worthless, same for CPUs and RAM capacity/speed. Glad those days are gone.

The 1080 Ti is now 8 years old and still very usable, same for the 7yr old 2080 Ti; that would have been impossible in the early 2000s.
 
True, don't want to go too far off topic, but thankfully these days all PC parts last significantly longer and perform very well for many years as long as they don't die. I remember the days when brand-new GPUs came out every 6 to 12 months with much better performance and usually had a new DirectX version to go along with it, making the previous generation close to worthless, same for CPUs and RAM capacity/speed. Glad those days are gone.

The 1080 Ti is now 8 years old and still very usable, same for the 7yr old 2080 Ti; that would have been impossible in the early 2000s.
We're now starting to see the 1080 Ti drop off the bottom of "minimum specs" lists, leaving people with one who want to play certain games requiring mesh shader support reliant on third party mods to run the games. But it's had a good innings for a 2016 card. I'd expect the next console generation transition to be the final death knell for the 1000-series (and possibly the 2000-series as well). Those cards won't be running games designed around the next generation of console hardware.

I remember when Wing Commander came out in 1990, there were PCs less than 18 months old that couldn't run it.
 
We're now starting to see the 1080 Ti drop off the bottom of "minimum specs" lists, leaving people with one who want to play certain games requiring mesh shader support reliant on third party mods to run the games. But it's had a good innings for a 2016 card. I'd expect the next console generation transition to be the final death knell for the 1000-series (and possibly the 2000-series as well). Those cards won't be running games designed around the next generation of console hardware.

I remember when Wing Commander came out in 1990, there were PCs less than 18 months old that couldn't run it.
True, don't want to go too far off topic, but thankfully these days all PC parts last significantly longer and perform very well for many years as long as they don't die. I remember the days when brand-new GPUs came out every 6 to 12 months with much better performance and usually had a new DirectX version to go along with it, making the previous generation close to worthless, same for CPUs and RAM capacity/speed. Glad those days are gone.

The 1080 Ti is now 8 years old and still very usable, same for the 7yr old 2080 Ti; that would have been impossible in the early 2000s.

I have the EVGA 1080 Ti and it was a beast of a card. (I now have it in a mATX case running retro games) It is however struggling at the latest games, so in the summer I upgraded my machine and upgraded the GPU to a 6950XT and got it on sale at £399. It was only a stop gap until the 5000 series/AMD 9000 series came out. Right now I'm 50/50 as to whether it's even worthwhile upgrading at all and wait for the next generation although I know there's a significant difference, I'm just not sure it's worth paying 1k+ (Mostly likely + as there wont be many for MSRP) for that difference if it's Nvidia or if the 9070XT will perform well enough and come in at a enough good price
to upgrade.
 
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