NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

[TNA]

So instead of getting a 5090 I got new speakers instead, money well spent I say!

Haha. Which ones? Got jealous of all the speaker talk?

 

[Joxeon]

The 3090 can still run Indy at 90+ FPS. Just not at max settings.

What about the 3060ti?

 

[TNA]

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Well this is hilarious.

It has begun. Nvidia gimping drivers?

 

[Nitefly]

What about the 3060ti?

I’m not sure, but isn’t this a massive switch of goal posts?! That’s a budget card.

Seems fine from this vid though:

 

[Adrian1976]

I can see a lot of discussion about 12VHPWR vs 12v-2x6 and many comments correctly identify that the change in spec DOES not affect the cable/cable plugs. The changes are on the female connectors device side. This is GPU and, perhaps more importantly in this case, ON THE PSU ALSO.

The OPs Asus Loki SFX-L appears to use a 16 PIN connector on the PSU side which is likely to be the old 12VHPWR spec and not the updated 12v-2x6. The Asus Loki SFX-L launched in early 2023 and 12v-2x6 in late 2023. It seems unlikely the PSU is 12v-2x6 unless it was bought recently and the PSU received a revision (As far as I can see, it did not)

All being said, even if the GPU and cable is 12v-2x6 the PSU is not.

As far as I was aware there is nothing special about the new 12v 2x6 it's just shorter sense pins making sure the user plugs it in all the way, I don't know what protection the FE has in terms of an LED for not fully inserted cables or anything (I am guessing it doesn't) but either way this is the first case I am aware of that has melted both ends at the same time this would indicate too much heat at both connector ends which was indicated by some reviews I saw of the 5090 reaching over 80-90c at the connector, That's ridiculous, I have an infrared thermal gun which I checked mine over a year ago after stressing the GPU at over 400w and it was around 45-50c so I can only assume the extra wattage is not helping the heat at the most important parts where the resistance starts in the connectors at both ends.

Also one can only assume and take the users word for it that it was fully inserted but I doubt someone paying stupid money for a 5090 would make that mistake or would they?

Either way aside from the silly prices this time around I have no intention of entertaining any one PC component that comsumes over 1/2 KW it's just nuts imo.

 

[Adrian1976]

By his own admission he was using this:

ATX 3.0 PCIe 5.0 600W 12VHPWR 16 Pin to 16 Pin PCIE Gen 5 Power Cable

Buy ATX 3.0 PCIe 5.0 600W 12VHPWR 16 Pin to 16 Pin PCIE Gen 5 Power Cable for $24.99 with Free Shipping Worldwide (In Stock)

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Really, he should have been using this:

ATX 3.1 PCIe 5.1 H++ 12V-2X6 675W 12VHPWR 16 Pin Power Cable

Buy ATX 3.1 PCIe 5.1 H++ 12V-2X6 675W 12VHPWR 16 Pin Power Cable for $29.99 with Free Shipping Worldwide (In Stock)

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It seems silly to enable issues like this by using such similar connectors. The whole ‘yeah it’s all backwards compatible’ stuff is confusing / misleading.

Some manufacturers are suggesting that the H+ and H++ cables are identical and it’s only the GPU and PSU ends that have changed. But, if that was true, why are they selling two different cables with 2 different power ratings.

… confusing!

Both are perfectly fine if used properly, If the cables and connectors are rated for 600w then that's technically what they should be capable of and there shouldn't be an issue assuming the it wasn't a faulty cable and it was fully inserted, This new spec is just marketing spiel.

 

[hornetstinger]

Will new GPU's be using this connector ie 9070XT

 

[Joxeon]

I’m not sure, but isn’t this a massive switch of goal posts?! That’s a budget card.

Seems fine from this vid though:

5080 is the modern day equivalent to a 3060ti/3070 although it’s not a budget card.

 

[markoboyo11]

That. But I would argue it is used more to to upsell. It bloody worked wonder with the 3080 and 3090

Yeh that's true aswell, expecially the case in gaming laptops. If you want the vram amount to last a few years it's will cost you. And with no ability to upgrade gpu and no competition. They have you completely by the balls.

 

[SuperElectric]

Will new GPU's be using this connector ie 9070XT

From most of the cards already seen in person, it's 8-pin.

I think there is one SKU out there with 12-pin, but I'm not sure.

 

[SuperElectric]

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Well this is hilarious.

It has begun. Nvidia gimping drivers?

I'm not sure what I meant to be seeing, all the cards look about the right place? I.e. where we would expect them to be?

The 3080 10GB is a touch faster than the 7900GRE. The 4070 is doing well against the 7800XT.

 

[Nitefly]

5080 is the modern day equivalent to a 3060ti/3070 although it’s not a budget card.

This is silly. First, the 3060ti can play Indy Jones. It’s fine.

Secondly, the 5080 not equivalent to a 3060ti/3070, unless you want to bring in the utterly meaningless metric of % of the full die used.

The 5080 will be fine in 4 years time, just as the 3060ti AND 3090 are both fine today.

 

[Sin_Chase]

Both are perfectly fine if used properly, If the cables and connectors are rated for 600w then that's technically what they should be capable of and there shouldn't be an issue assuming the it wasn't a faulty cable and it was fully inserted, This new spec is just marketing spiel.

The new spec is not just marketing spiel.

12v-2x6 connectors have shorter sense pins and longer line pins.

The FE, as with AIBs, will either refuse to power or power with a lower TDP limit (450w etc) if the sense pins are not fully seated.

 

[TNA]

I'm not sure what I meant to be seeing, all the cards look about the right place? I.e. where we would expect them to be?

The 3080 10GB is a touch faster than the 7900GRE. The 4070 is doing well against the 7800XT.

Look at 4090, 5080 and 5090 :cry

5080 beating the 4090.

 

[ne0]

While VRAM is somewhat of a concern the real elephant in the room is that the 5080 is really only a modern 60/70 class so if a 3090 which was the top chip at the time is already unable to run the latest games at an acceptable frame rate then whats going to happen to the 5080 in 4 years?

Well we're really talking about path tracing which is an extremely demanding setting that only the top cards can run well. Turn off path tracing and the 3090 can run everything at max settings.

 

[mrk]

Haha. Which ones? Got jealous of all the speaker talk?

Well I got a more powerful amp recently and I had the speaker itch too so went to have a demo of a few models I liked the look of and went away ordering the B&W 707 S3 They are smaller than my 11yr old Q300 but produce the same level of bass if not even more which is some sort of wizardry. Stereo imaging is also equally wide/wider so ideal for gaming and immersion. The new 700 series uses the trickle down components from the 800 series, carbon tweeter, crossover etc.

 

[Adrian1976]

The new spec is not just marketing spiel.

12v-2x6 connectors have shorter sense pins and longer line pins.

The FE, as with AIBs, will either refuse to power or power with a lower TDP limit (450w etc) if the sense pins are not fully seated.

Yep just read about the 0.25mm longer terminals but either way if either is plugged in properly it should be fine if the cable is capable of the rated spec.

And more to the point if it really does fail to power the card then he was using an older cable so it means he did have it connected fully so back to ridiculous power requirements of the 5090.

 

[Sin_Chase]

Yep just read about the 0.25mm longer terminals but either way if either is plugged in properly it should be fine if the cable is capable of the rated spec.

And more to the point if it really does fail to power the card then he was using an older cable so it means he did have it connected fully so back to ridiculous power requirements of the 5090.

Or the fact he had everything crammed into an SFF which would expose the connector to more heat in general and perhaps bring about a failure more readily than in a system with better airflow.

 

[Nitefly]

Yep just read about the 0.25mm longer terminals but either way if either is plugged in properly it should be fine if the cable is capable of the rated spec.

And more to the point if it really does fail to power the card then he was using an older cable so it means he did have it connected fully so back to ridiculous power requirements of the 5090.

The changes were to maximise the chances of the cable being ‘plugged in properly’, because it not being plugged in properly = potential issues.

Saying “but if it’s plugged in properly it’s fine” is sort of ignoring the purpose / reason for the change.

 

[Glanza]