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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion
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Lack of choice other than not upgrading at all. Nvidia knew exactly what they were doing stopping 40 series production and it's worked a treat for them. There aren't even sensible options in the used market and I'm personally more shocked at what people are paying for used cards right now. Some are gambling more than the original MSRP for 2 year old used 4090s.
Agree - it is odd. I have no idea why people would overpay on
My confusion extends to the used market too. I would never throw down mass cash on something as notoriously fiddly / ‘can vary per unit’ as a GPU… I returned three 40 series cards to retailers for them being crappy and I really don’t think that’s me being a fusspot either - they were rubbish. Yet now more than ever people seem happy to accept these ‘buying used’ risks, at these prices, which to me is bonkers.
With that said, I acknowledge that I am one of people that’s handed over a whopping sum of cash for a 5090 pre-order. It probably is true that prices are generally rising because Nvidia are seeing how much people are prepared to pay at the top end. But still, why is it that people who are not buying at the very top end are throwing money at inflated ‘scalper priced’ cards… I’d have instinctively thought that a more budget conscious audience (generalising massively here, I know plenty of people won’t pay high 90 series prices on principle for many reasons) would be less willing to overpay.
But apparently not - we have seen 5080s going for > £1.6k
Edit: correcting my initial paragraph to better reflect what I meant.
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Hmm, not sure about that (ignoring availability and ‘ROPs’)… if I don’t return a 5090, it’ll be a better experience for me than the 4090
Plus let’s not forget that 40 series has suffered with meltageddon too - to the extent they semi-silently revised the connector. Not great.
When it works though… good card, for sure.
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Because people weren't in the market for a GPU 2 years ago? Because people can't see into the future that the 50 series wasn't good and now it's revealed, there aren't any other options? What are people supposed to do? If you don't want AMD, 50 series is your only choice.Agree - it is odd. I have no idea why people would pay the same ‘price to performance’ and same ‘overall performance’ now for what you could get 2 years ago
NVIDIA confirms 0.5% of RTX 5090(D) and RTX 5070 Ti were shipped with fewer ROPs - VideoCardz.com
NVIDIA confirms RTX 5090/5070 with fewer ROPs, recommends contacting board partners for replacement Only 0.5% of cards are affected. NVIDIA has just issued a statement on something that we reported yesterday. Only after a report from TechPowerUP, who discovered an anomaly in product specs, did...
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Since the 3000 launch the "normalising" of what can still be seen a horrendous pricing has shown to largely work, with both Nvidia and to a lesser extent, maybe, AMD.
Some have become accustomed to feeling they have to pay inflated prices to get what they want, to then pay highly inflated prices is just another stepping stone that could not have been believed prior to the last three gens or so.
I don't feel, largely, that stock shortages are created intentionally. I am not sure how it would advantage Nvidia to not be able to keep up with demand, but at the point of not saturating stock levels.
The success of AMD and their 9800x3d, amazing gaming CPU, was given a bump due to what Intel launched with their ArL. That seemed to add to the stock shortages problem.
I could afford, somewhat, to have pre-ordered a 5090, but then again I would still struggle to accept the cost of a 4090, not diminishing its value or worth for others. Two thousand pounds plus for a 5090 GPU....................oh my...!
I seem to typically have reasons to not wish to play games not because my 4080 running at 4k is not giving me the performance I would like, but more to do with feeling "meh" with some of the releases that I am playing. It seems that KCD II might be an exception to that, and that plays fine.
What really bothers me about this is that some people won't know to check. Sure you could argue these people may not notice the 4% performance drop, but I don't think that's the point. If you paid for all the ROPs, you should get all the ROPs.NVIDIA confirms 0.5% of RTX 5090(D) and RTX 5070 Ti were shipped with fewer ROPs - VideoCardz.com
NVIDIA confirms RTX 5090/5070 with fewer ROPs, recommends contacting board partners for replacement Only 0.5% of cards are affected. NVIDIA has just issued a statement on something that we reported yesterday. Only after a report from TechPowerUP, who discovered an anomaly in product specs, did...
Sorry, I misspoke.
I meant ‘paying way over MSRP’ for these cards which are broadly equivalent to the old ones.
I think a decent model 5080 AIB for around £1,200 - £1,300 is fair. But they are currently quite a bit more than this.
Edit: I have now amended my post that you quoted to better reflect what I meant.
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From what the article says, it may not be limited to Zotac.
I think people are also forgetting that Nvidia is a relatively new company. A lot of their budget orientated customers during the 1060 boom are now going to be in a financially stronger position and in the market for high end. Historically there were far fewer "wealthy" gamers as they hadn't grown up with the hobby.
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Pent up demand maybe? Ppl who skipped 40 series now need to uograde (esp targeting 4k) and have no choice but to go for a 50 series card?
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I’m convinced Nvidia knew about this and were hoping they could away with it. They very quickly pulled that 0.5% figure out of the air, and to happen twice, it is inexcusable. Scumbags.NVIDIA confirms 0.5% of RTX 5090(D) and RTX 5070 Ti were shipped with fewer ROPs - VideoCardz.com
NVIDIA confirms RTX 5090/5070 with fewer ROPs, recommends contacting board partners for replacement Only 0.5% of cards are affected. NVIDIA has just issued a statement on something that we reported yesterday. Only after a report from TechPowerUP, who discovered an anomaly in product specs, did...
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Have they even shipped 5090s yet? Not seen a single one.No wonder Zotac had the most cards on the market, they were all ROP editions
I agree, I can’t see how they wouldn’t know.
I think the point is perhaps best illustrated by looking at the initial 4080 launch. Consumers rejected this at the time for being overpriced.
This same sort of thing doesn’t seem to be happening with the 5080 cards as they are going for over MSRP… but it’s early days, let’s see.
I do actually think that a 5080FE for under £1k is ‘fair’ - OK, it’s disappointing from the perspective of anticipated gen on gen increase, but it’s not wildly bad price to performance.
So if that’s the case, the inflated prices aren’t exclusively of Nvidia’s creation… save to the extent they are pushing out their elbows and getting more of a margin on the AIB boards.
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