NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

[harmattan]

After the 970 VRAM lie which they never admitted to why would they care about doing it again?

How soon we forget. nV shipped a chip for an enitre card tier that could only effectively use 3.5gb, and claimed it was a full 4gb. To think they woundn't ship a number of GB202s with reduced ROPs and hope no one would notice is naive.

They have automated processes to validate a chip is full spec. It is exceedingly hard to believe they didn't catch these in QC, and further, probabilistically impossible they would have passed both nV AND Zotac's validation runs.

 

[ICDP]

It’s either incompetence or deliberate, that’s on Nvidia. What an absolute shambles of a release and yet consumers are happy to let it happen.

If you are paying £1000 for a 5070Ti, £1300+ for a 5080 and £2000+ (yes MSRP) let alone £2400+ for a 5090… then you are part of the problem. Because you are telling Nvidia and the retailers “I am happy to be dry humped”.

Welcome to a scenario of your own creation. Nvidia are just giving you what you wanted.

 

[ombadboy]

Soon we will not only have OC editions, but full ROPs editions too.

MSI Gaming Trio OC ROPS

 

[Nitefly]

If you are paying £1000 for a 5070Ti, £1300+ for a 5080 and £2000+ (yes MSRP) let alone £2400+ for a 5090… then you are part of the problem. Because you are telling Nvidia and the retailers “I am happy to be dry humped”.

Welcome to a scenario of your own creation. Nvidia are just giving you what you wanted.

I don’t follow this at all. Why does anyone buying a product deserve to get something other than as it was described?

 

[ICDP]

I don’t follow this at all. Why does anyone buying a product deserve to get something other than as it was described?

Where did I say deserve?

Let me clarify. You want to spend excessive price for mediocre products, then yes you are part of the problem (general you). But your mediocre overpriced products should be as advertised.

My post is about people paying excessive prices for mediocre products from Nvidia. They are happy to pay way above MSRP and that tells Nvidia and retailers that the half assed barely faster for the same price scummy approach works. Because people will still buy them.

There’s zero incentive for Nvidia to even try anymore.

 

[Nitefly]

Where did I say deserve?

You inferred it heavily here:

… then you are part of the problem. Because you are telling Nvidia and the retailers “I am happy to be dry humped”.

Welcome to a scenario of your own creation. Nvidia are just giving you what you wanted.

With regards to your subsequent explanation:

My post is about people paying excessive prices for mediocre products from Nvidia. They are happy to pay way above MSRP and that tells Nvidia and retailers that the half assed barely faster for the same price scummy approach works.

Paying excessive prices for mediocre performance (or price to performance) is one thing, but I really can’t see how this extends to consumers inviting and/or being partly responsible for defects.

 

[Trox]

There is such a lack of cards being released it’s hard to tell how well the launch really is.

I thought I’d have a card by now, but I’m not willing to pay over the odds, certainly not +50% because the cards are being drip fed.

 

[w3bbo]

Imagine buying a scalped, ROP gimped fire hazard at a hugely inflated price with no comeback. Ouch.

 

[Trox]

Imagine buying a scalped, ROP gimped fire hazard at a hugely inflated price with no comeback. Ouch.

Realisation will set in when people paying retailer scalped prices try to sell second hand in a year or 2, or maybe not even that long…

 

[ICDP]

You inferred it heavily here:

No I didn’t, you inferred it.

I implied that rewarding Nvidia and retailers by agreeing to pay massively scalped prices, sends a message that they are happy with the current pricing and stock system.

There will be no incentive on Nvidia to give proper performance improvements next time. No incentive to lower prices, to improve stock levels. There’s no incentive for retailers to stop pre scalping because the consumer are happy to purchase massive price gouged products.

 

[Nitefly]

No I didn’t, you inferred it.

I implied that rewarding Nvidia and retailers by agreeing to pay massively scalped prices, sends a message that they are happy with the current system.

There will be no incentive on Nvidia to give proper performance improvements next time. No incentive to lower prices, to improve stock levels. There’s no incentive for retailers to stop pre scalping because the consumer are happy to purchase massive price gouged products.

If that’s what you meant, fine, but at the start of your post you said this:

It’s either incompetence or deliberate, that’s on Nvidia. What an absolute shambles of a release and yet consumers are happy to let it happen.

^ following on from the ongoing discussion regarding ROPs, which led to me reading your post in the way that I did.

 

[ICDP]

It was a separate paragraph as it was a different point. My apologies for not being clearer.

 

[Nitefly]

It was a separate paragraph as it was a different point. My apologies for not being clearer.

No worries - the way that ‘posts are read sequentially / conversationally’ leads to this sort of ‘misreading / conflating of points’ - sorry from my side for ‘getting it wrong’!

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

Hopefully a big ball ache incoming for scalpers. Anybody that bought an ROP gimped card from eBay will surely be returning it to them?

 

[Hedge]

Where did I say deserve?

Let me clarify. You want to spend excessive price for mediocre products, then yes you are part of the problem (general you). But your mediocre overpriced products should be as advertised.

My post is about people paying excessive prices for mediocre products from Nvidia. They are happy to pay way above MSRP and that tells Nvidia and retailers that the half assed barely faster for the same price scummy approach works. Because people will still buy them.

There’s zero incentive for Nvidia to even try anymore.

People have really messed up perspectives on purchasing things.

There's huge threads about shrinkflation and people being ****** off with being ripped off. The same people who would puke at paying 50p more on a 99p bar of chocolate would pay £500 more on a £999 gpu.

Mind boggles.

 

[Trox]

Hopefully a big ball ache incoming for scalpers. Anybody that bought an ROP gimped card from eBay will surely be returning it to them?

Not getting what you paid for, it’s accepted as an issue so the end user should be able to make a return on warranty

 

[ICDP]

Not getting what you paid for, it’s accepted as an issue so the end user should be able to make a return on warranty

I think they mean if you bought off a scalper with no warranty, or original receipt.

 

[ICDP]

No worries - the way that ‘posts are read sequentially / conversationally’ leads to this sort of ‘misreading / conflating of points’ - sorry from my side for ‘getting it wrong’!

Yeah, no worries at all.

I am just bewildered by what is happening. When the 4080 was released at $1200 people voted with their wallet and they languished on shelves. Yet this time around similar performance is being hoovered up at scalper prices without people batting an eyelid.

The entire release from Nvidia has been an utter shambles but a lot of it is planned. Stock shortages, fake MSRP etc.

 

[Grim5]

Poor Linux users, can't even check it. Apparently Linux users can't check their ROPs so they don't know if they have a gimped card

 

[Trox]

I think they mean if you bought off a scalper with no warranty, or original receipt.

Ah yea, I wasn’t thinking of that scenario. I probably can’t comprehend anyone wanting to pay a ridiculous premium for zero aftercare service