NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

[Awahwah]

I’m convinced Nvidia knew about this and were hoping they could away with it. They very quickly pulled that 0.5% figure out of the air, and to happen twice, it is inexcusable. Scumbags.

Wouldn’t be surprised either if they tried their luck. Just as the retailers are by upping prices.

We are part of the problem, me included, for parting with our hard earned.

I’ve said this before, we have the real power because we can decided not to buy.

 

[StarShock]

It's a sobering thought but had the 5090 been reasonably priced and actually available I might well have bought one and since Zotac is my go-to brand I might well have ended up with an affected card.

If they were actually available and reasonably priced it would have been relatively simple to get a replacement if you had got an affected card.

 

[peahead]

Lets see if 5090s in quantity suddenly start to appear now

 

[Awahwah]

What -ROP Editions?

 

[GhostDog1981]

I think the point is perhaps best illustrated by looking at the initial 4080 launch. Consumers rejected this at the time for being overpriced.

This same sort of thing doesn’t seem to be happening with the 5080 cards as they are going for over MSRP… but it’s early days, let’s see.

I do actually think that a 5080FE for under £1k is ‘fair’ - OK, it’s disappointing from the perspective of anticipated gen on gen increase, but it’s not wildly bad price to performance.

So if that’s the case, the inflated prices aren’t exclusively of Nvidia’s creation… save to the extent they are pushing out their elbows and getting more of a margin on the AIB boards.

But a 5080 is actually a 5070ti (aka 70 class chip) that should be at least £300 cheaper.

Most except those in this forum are poorly informed and make impulse purchases based on mindshare (Nvidia is the best=graphics=great gaming) and shiny tech.

I don’t see things improving from a cost perspective unless suddenly the AI bubble pops and Chinese gpu manufacturers produce cheaper equivalents.

 

[NinjaCool]

A fire/flame broke out from a blown capacitor on a ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5090

ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5090 catches fire after capacitor blows - VideoCardz.com

ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5090: For those who dare The new ROG Astral series from ASUS is known for two things: how large these graphics cards are and how expensive they are. The RTX 5090 Astral costs more than $2800, if you are even lucky to find it in stock. Speaking of luck, Redditor...

videocardz.com

 

[Vertigo]

Hmm, not sure about that (ignoring availability and ‘ROPs’)… if I don’t return a 5090, it’ll be a better experience for me than the 4090

Plus let’s not forget that 40 series has suffered with meltageddon too - to the extent they semi-silently revised the connector. Not great.

When it works though… good card, for sure.

Just because your personal "experience" is better with a 5090 doesn't mean the situation as a whole isn't a total cluster-****.

The 5090 has zero price/performance improvements and only one highly contentious exclusive feature. Add in the melting connectors, lacklustre FE cooler that sacrifices heat & noise for the sake of a largely pointless 2-slot form factor, missing ROPs, missing PhsyX support and virtually zero availability and it's a total mess.

Regards the 4090 connectors, unless I'm mistaken I don't believe I've seen any conclusive evidence of any instances of this that weren't down to user error. This clearly isn't the case with the 5090 and they're melting even when fully seated plus we have the weird 'balancing' issues with individual cables as shown by Derbauer.

If you can get one at MSRP and don't have any problems then great, enjoy it and the extra performance but this doesn't mean the launch as a whole hasn't been a disaster.

 

[Absolutely Clueless]

A fire/flame broke out from a blown capacitor on a ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5090

ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5090 catches fire after capacitor blows - VideoCardz.com

ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5090: For those who dare The new ROG Astral series from ASUS is known for two things: how large these graphics cards are and how expensive they are. The RTX 5090 Astral costs more than $2800, if you are even lucky to find it in stock. Speaking of luck, Redditor...

videocardz.com

That's what happens if you cheap out and buy an MSRP card /s

 

[ICDP]

Pent up demand maybe? Ppl who skipped 40 series now need to uograde (esp targeting 4k) and have no choice but to go for a 50 series card?

Of course they have a choice. It’s a GPU and if they were holding off for literal years because the 4000 and 7000 series weren’t were not good enough, why is it suddenly good enough now?

If you weren’t prepared to spend £1200 on a 4080 two years ago, why is a 5080 at £1400 OK? Why is a 5070Ti at £1000 OK suddenly?

Sorry I don’t buy the “I held off long enough and have no choice” defence.

 

[Buckster]

How have Nvidia analysed that percentage of cards effected already ? And have there been any user reports of 5070tis ?

All seems very odd

 

[GhostDog1981]

Of course they have a choice. It’s a GPU and if they were holding off for literal years because the 4000 and 7000 series weren’t were not good enough, why is it suddenly good enough now?

If you weren’t prepared to spend £1200 on a 4080 two years ago, why is a 5080 at £1400 OK? Why is a 5070Ti at £1000 OK suddenly?

Sorry I don’t buy the “I held off long enough and have no choice” defence.

People have limits to their will power to vote with their wallets.

Also someone might have no choice as their gpu is fried or no longer supports latest gaming eg 5700xt or 1080ti etc.

 

[Awahwah]

I needed something for a second build. But, I did not buy wisely.

 

[DavieJG]

Just because your personal "experience" is better with a 5090 doesn't mean the situation as a whole isn't a total cluster-****.

The 5090 has zero price/performance improvements and only one highly contentious exclusive feature. Add in the melting connectors, lacklustre FE cooler that sacrifices heat & noise for the sake of a largely pointless 2-slot form factor, missing ROPs, missing PhsyX support and virtually zero availability and it's a total mess.

Regards the 4090 connectors, unless I'm mistaken I don't believe I've seen any conclusive evidence of any instances of this that weren't down to user error. This clearly isn't the case with the 5090 and they're melting even when fully seated plus we have the weird 'balancing' issues with individual cables as shown by Derbauer.

If you can get one at MSRP and don't have any problems then great, enjoy it and the extra performance but this doesn't mean the launch as a whole hasn't been a disaster.

4090 has exactly the same modes of failure as the 5090. Only difference is 5090 is drawing greater current so failure is more likely and safety margin is less

 

[no_1_dave]

Regards the 4090 connectors, unless I'm mistaken I don't believe I've seen any conclusive evidence of any instances of this that weren't down to user error. This clearly isn't the case with the 5090 and they're melting even when fully seated plus we have the weird 'balancing' issues with individual cables as shown by Derbauer.

The 5090 connectors terminate on the card into a large spade, just like the 4090 does.
If there are balancing issues across the 6 wires (like Derbauer showed) that will be because the PSU is sending too much current incorrectly down the cable.

Why is the PSU not sending equal loads across all 6 wires individually? The card is receiving the power as sent by the PSU and then combining it on the card. If too much current is being sent down an individual wire, that's the PSU doing it, not the card. It's down to the PSU manufactures to to make sure the PSU end of the cable gets fed the current correctly.

Yes, I think it's bad that the power on the 4090s and 5090s is all pooled together so they have no control over it. But surely the PSU should not be pushing more than 100w down each of the 6 cables? Surely the PSU should be able to control which pins get power and which don't? I feel the PSU's which cause cables to melt are just as much at fault, if not more.

 

[DavieJG]

The 5090 connectors terminate on the card into a large spade, just like the 4090 does.
If there are balancing issues across the 6 wires (like Derbauer showed) that will be because the PSU is sending too much current incorrectly down the cable.

Why is the PSU not sending equal loads across all 6 wires individually? The card is receiving the power as sent by the PSU and then combining it on the card. If too much current is being sent down an individual wire, that's the PSU doing it, not the card. It's down to the PSU manufactures to to make sure the PSU end of the cable gets fed the current correctly.

Yes, I think it's bad that the power on the 4090s and 5090s is all pooled together so they have no control over it. But surely the PSU should not be pushing more than 100w down each of the 6 cables? Surely the PSU should be able to control which pins get power and which don't? I feel the PSU's which cause cables to melt are just as much at fault, if not more.

PSUs have never been designed that way. It is the responsibility of the load to regulate.

 

[TheCarcassKing]

Of course they have a choice. It’s a GPU and if they were holding off for literal years because the 4000 and 7000 series weren’t were not good enough, why is it suddenly good enough now?

For me its good enough now because when the 40 series was released i had barely anytime to play games. Now ive switched jobs and only work 5 months a year, its in my personal interest to upgrade my gpu for 4k gaming and streaming.

As for the i have no choice part, unless im buying a second hand 40 series with either close to end or no warranty at all, id rather buy a 50 series and be covered if anything were to go wrong.

 

[Jasseh]

I think people are also forgetting that Nvidia is a relatively new company. A lot of their budget orientated customers during the 1060 boom are now going to be in a financially stronger position and in the market for high end. Historically there were far fewer "wealthy" gamers as they hadn't grown up with the hobby.

Just looked at the invoice from when I built a whole new PC with my 980Ti upgrade back in 2016. 8Pack overclocked i7-6700K bundle, HoF 980Ti, Phanteks case, PSU (still in use until this afternoon), HDD, SSD and DVD drive (why? lol) for a grand total of £1675.93. At the time, on my helpdesk salary, it was a tough purchase to justify. I tried getting my wife to talk me out of it, but as usual that didn't work "you work hard for your money, treat yourself".
Now the invoice for my Zotac 5090 Solid... £2239.99 and nothing else with it (hopefully a tiny pack of Haribo when it arrives in a few hours). But this time I'm no longer on that helpdesk salary, I'm now a senior dev and was lucky enough to be able to impulse change from a 5080 to a 5090 and not worry too much about it. Still not really happy with the price, and wasn't happy with the wait (that is over today, unless it is missing ROPs), but I'm looking forward to (hopefully) not upgrading GPU again for a long time now.

Have they even shipped 5090s yet? Not seen a single one.

My Zotac 5090 Solid is due to arrive this afternoon, I'll post some photos when it gets here.

 

[Nitefly]

Just because your personal "experience" is better with a 5090 doesn't mean the situation as a whole isn't a total cluster-****.

Yep, I agree.

Regards the 4090 connectors, unless I'm mistaken I don't believe I've seen any conclusive evidence of any instances of this that weren't down to user error. This clearly isn't the case with the 5090 and they're melting even when fully seated plus we have the weird 'balancing' issues with individual cables as shown by Derbauer.

They redesigned the connector for a reason. H+ connectors are sub-optimal and less safe than H++.

H++ doesn’t mitigate all issues though.

Yes, there is less room for error with the 5090’s higher power draw and we should expect these issues to be resolved properly.

 

[no_1_dave]

PSUs have never been designed that way. It is the responsibility of the load to regulate.

So it's ok for PSUs to be designed in a way which can push way too much power down individual cables?
But it's not ok for anything else to be designed that way?

 

[SeeNoWeevil]

Of course they have a choice. It’s a GPU and if they were holding off for literal years because the 4000 and 7000 series weren’t were not good enough, why is it suddenly good enough now?

If you weren’t prepared to spend £1200 on a 4080 two years ago, why is a 5080 at £1400 OK? Why is a 5070Ti at £1000 OK suddenly?

Sorry I don’t buy the “I held off long enough and have no choice” defence.

I really don't understand why you're not getting this. Many people skip generations. No one could possibly see into the future that the 50 series is just basically the 40 series again and without a time machine your only options are to buy it or just skip another generation and maybe not play the games you really wanted to play. TLDR; hindsight is a wonderful thing.