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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion
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5090 Astral running out of spec, taken from the Asus forum. It's so crazy to me that a device that has the ability to regulate its own power draw AND knows it's running out of spec in a way that could cause major hardware failure is just like "Hey, better be quick bucko, cable's about to melt. Do something about? Nah"
Hope you don't miss this OPTIONAL warning while gaming otherwise it's BBQ time.
Yes. I’m not even sure what sort or ‘warning’ pop-up it displays.
Windows game mode can disable pop-ups and interruptions… so it could go to **** over the course of a single gaming session
5090 Astral running out of spec, taken from the Asus forum. It's so crazy to me that a device that has the ability to regulate its own power draw AND knows it's running out of spec in a way that could cause major hardware failure is just like "Hey, better be quick bucko, cable's about to melt. Do something about? Nah"
Hope you don't miss this OPTIONAL warning while gaming otherwise it's BBQ time.
I don’t think the Astral (or any 50 series card, per nVidia’s spec that they’ve forced on AIB partners) can regulate its own power draw. The amperage monitoring in the app is informational only.
That being said, I imagine the use case is: plug an Astral in and for a few hours you test random apps and whatever while monitoring amp draw on each cable. Repeat this every time you reseat the cable.
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Do they? No. Can they? Absolutely. Is there some ******* insane stipulation by Nvidia that they shouldn't? Who knows.
They could absolutely reduce the power limit to prevent melting. This has many problems though. How do you inform the user this has happened? What amperage do you act on? These cards fly so close to the sun, they probably exceed the 9.5A pin limit on a perfectly good cable all the time. Mess it up and you're generating lots of support calls from angry users.
Something like MSI Afterburner could probably reverse engineer the communication the Asus app does with the shunts and drop the power limit itself. Not sure I'd trust a running program to stop my card melting, but still.
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Nvidia’s own spec sheet forced the AIB partners into a certain type of power delivery mechanism and that has led to the lack of safety features we’re (not) seeing (hence the mental shunt setup that the Astral has). Buildzoid did a really good video on this I recommend it.
While I’m not an electrical engineer, your process/idea might work but in order for it to function there’s many other moving parts that need to align: windows permissions not blocking the popup, monitoring software being accurate, safely tuning the power down while not causing the user’s OS to crash and corrupt - the list goes on.
It’s a legal headache nobody in their right mind would tackle especially when this is Nvidia’s fault.
Sadly, yes. By taking steps to address it, you may be seen as acknowledging and taking on responsibility for it… especially if you’re advertising it in any way as a safety precaution.
It’s a bit like the whole ‘clear the snow, get into trouble when someone falls over on the ice’
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Absolutely this.Sadly, yes. By taking steps to address it, you may be seen as acknowledging and taking on responsibility for it… especially if you’re advertising it in any way as a safety precaution.
It’s a bit like the whole ‘clear the snow, get into trouble when someone falls over on the ice’
AIBs can't balance the draw as it's all combined into one 12v blob. They're obviously free to monitor the individual pins *before* that. I don't see any technical reason why they can't act on those numbers but like I say, who knows what crazy criteria Nvidia impose on their board partners.
Power limit can be changed in real time without crashing, you can do this in any GPU tuning software.
I don't have much sympathy for AIBs tbh. No one is forcing them to release these things. If you think it's unsafe, don't ship the product. It's probably stuff like this that prompted EVGA to leave the market.
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It's only because I see comparisons like this using an rtx 4090
5700X3D is very impressive for the price, best value VS performance chip by a mile!
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There were jokes in the Intel threads about how it would be funny if people started complaining about benchmarking GPUs by not bottlenecking them - it's happening
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5090 Astral running out of spec, taken from the Asus forum. It's so crazy to me that a device that has the ability to regulate its own power draw AND knows it's running out of spec in a way that could cause major hardware failure is just like "Hey, better be quick bucko, cable's about to melt. Do something about? Nah"
Hope you don't miss this OPTIONAL warning while gaming otherwise it's BBQ time.
I think it's a great addition by Asus, they are the only ones doing it? Imagine you had any of the other 20+ cards with this same setup, you'd have no idea that two pins were doing sweet FA...
Now that 5090 owner can reseat or replace the power cable.
it's so crazy to me that a device that has the ability to regulate its own power draw AND knows it's running out of spec in a way that could cause major hardware failure is just like "Hey, better be quick bucko, cable's about to melt. Do something about? Nah"
That's the problem, the GPU does not have the ability to regulate its own power, the Asus GPU can monitor its power but it can't regulate it - there is no regulation ability under Nvidia's mandated power delivery design
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So, I did some testing and I'm happy with the outcome 
. The annoying clicking noise I mentioned yesterday is being caused by one of my case fans and not my 5090.
I dropped all the fans down to 800 RPM and the sound went away, then increased each block of 3 to 1350 and the noise came back only when the bottom 3 fans were increased.
Also was able to hear the coil whine again with the case fans down at 800 lol.
. The annoying clicking noise I mentioned yesterday is being caused by one of my case fans and not my 5090.I dropped all the fans down to 800 RPM and the sound went away, then increased each block of 3 to 1350 and the noise came back only when the bottom 3 fans were increased.
Also was able to hear the coil whine again with the case fans down at 800 lol.
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There were jokes in the Intel threads about how it would be funny if people started complaining about benchmarking GPUs by not bottlenecking them - it's happening
It's everywhere, forums/reddit/youtube comments.
"Why hasn't this reviewer used my exact CPU/GPU/settings/resolution so I know exactly how much fps I will get?"
It's just never going to happen, outside of one offs or specific study pieces. How about you try creating your own Techpowerup/Computerbase/HUB/Gamers Nexus but test exponentially more CPU/GPU/settings combinations and see how much success you get?
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Sure, they can't do anything fancy with the voltages but I find it hard to believe the firmware can't drop the power limit to protect itself if it detects an imbalance. Or shut the card down.
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I can't help feel Asus are going to regret putting this thing in their software. This apparently is with a brand new cable.
It would be nice if they included some older cards in reviews using the steam hardware survey as a guide. It's nice knowing how current gen cards compare but would also be good to see how older cards compare using more modern CPUs and drivers compared to their original reviews.It's everywhere, forums/reddit/youtube comments.
"Why hasn't this reviewer used my exact CPU/GPU/settings/resolution so I know exactly how much fps I will get?"
It's just never going to happen, outside of one offs or specific study pieces. How about you try creating your own Techpowerup/Computerbase/HUB/Gamers Nexus but test exponentially more CPU/GPU/settings combinations and see you much success you get?
Would also let people see how much of upgrade it is.
An imperfect cable can be imperfect on day one. Would be nice to know which cable it is...
I can't help feel Asus are going to regret putting this thing in their software. This apparently is with a brand new cable.
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I can't help feel Asus are going to regret putting this thing in their software. This apparently is with a brand new cable.
Probably not their cable? Most people don't have Asus power supplies, so they might be happy to throw everyone else under the bus
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When you run so close to the limit, your dog farting in the next room is pushing your cable out of spec.