Obesity

Raymond Lin said:
Do you even remember who brought up Hong Kong as an example and then who found an article about Hong Kong?
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Both can be true,they are getting fatter because of carbohydrates, however they also still currently live longer because they eat a diet high in meat. In this case the highest meat per capita is associated with the highest longevity.
You were trying to claim they were healthy because of carbs, but its objectively statistically not true.
 
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Not sure why the experience/performance of a professional athlete, who is burning more calories per day with regular/multiple exercise periods,
necessarily carries over to joe bloggs - who goes down the pool/gym/cycles/runs, organised around their work schedule.

Never got into the waist/weight/gucci-belt? measuring zone - it's more how do you feel+time after regular swim/run schedule.
 
If longevity is your primary concern then maybe follow what people over 100 did to get there.

Those with increased levels of total cholesterol and iron had a greater likelihood of becoming centenarians compared to those with lower levels.

However, for molecules including glucose, creatinine, uric acid, and liver enzymes, lower levels were associated with higher chances of living past 100.
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www.independent.co.uk

Largest study of centenarian blood reveals secrets to longevity

‘Those who made it to their hundredth birthday tended to have lower glucose, creatinine and uric acid from their sixties’
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

It's entirely up to you how you get these results.
 
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regarding clothes, I'm not directly concerned, but I have a friend who's overweight and has great difficulty finding outfits in her size. One of the solutions has been to try and find plus-size clothing stores, and there are a few out there, which is great for these people :)
 
Bear said:
Thats old news for Chris Froome now. Professional cyclists used to eat low carbs to be fat adapted but that has changed now, during race days now they guzzle carbs more than ever. In the old days of Froome winning TdF, they used to eat 60g her hour of carbs to keep them fuelled (theory being thats all they can absorb in an hour), now they knock back 120g+ per hour and the average speeds are considerably faster as a result https://velo.outsideonline.com/road...ydrate-revolution-is-speeding-up-pro-cycling/

Note that in the article I linked it quotes an Ineos nutritionist which is the same team that Chris Froome rode in (Team Sky just change in sponsor)
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And to add to that a big reason teams have moved away from low carb diets is that there is not evidence to support the theory behind low carb training - a lot of the positive adaptations that were mooted just don’t happen.
 
200sols said:
For some reason we have normalised being fat. Call it out like smoking, after all it is now a bigger killer.
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Spot on.

Bit late to the thread, but biggest issue I see is that society have given a platform for big women - modeling etc (fully accept that it needs to work both ways so we don't also promote underweight women either). Same across social media, the sooner society starts to accept that this is not a healthy way of living the better.
 
Unfortunately if we want to tackle obesity significantly, then difficult decisions need to be made. We need to change the mindset of driving for 10-15 minute walking journeys. To do this we need to make cars less appealing (costs and taxes) while increasing public transport spending on improved pavements, underpasses and cycle lanes. The difficulty is that the public generally do not want change, but without doing something we are going to have falling life expectancy.

Obesity is a massive risk factor for cancer in addition to heart disease and I feel unpopular decisions need to be made for the future health of the country.
 
Semple said:
Spot on.

Bit late to the thread, but biggest issue I see is that society have given a platform for big women - modeling etc (fully accept that it needs to work both ways so we don't also promote underweight women either). Same across social media, the sooner society starts to accept that this is not a healthy way of living the better.
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The reason those things exist is that most people are obese and frankly, having everyone miserable about their self-image isn't healthy.

The issue is that we have a deeply ingrained culture of eating **** unhealthy food and drinking too much alcohol.
 
It's interesting that we always look to the stick rather than the carrot when it comes to obesity.

I think we should consider more ways of motivating people to exercise and eat healthier options rather than punishing them if they don't with higher tax foods etc.

I quite like the Vitality (health insurance) model, exercise properly and you get different rewards, maybe we could take that approach. It's estimated that obesity costs £58 billion a year, so there's a lot of room to manoeuvre, it'd be good to see an optional system where if you exercises regularly and maintain a healthy weight you get access to maybe a different tax code with a lower overall income tax rate. For those outside of that and struggling with weight ability to get healthy options (E.g. veggies) and a significant price discount maybe having our publicly owned gyms doing specific days designed solely for obese people who might have anxious in a normal gym environment, access to specialist PTs etc

The problem with the current model is that it's on you to change, but the cost of not doing is both on you and the whole country. Having done my own weight loss thing about 4 years ago (I dropped like 40kg) I would have been much more likely to change sooner if some of those options where available.
 
Defy Belief said:
Ffs drop it, they have always eaten carbohydrates, haven't just discovered rice and noodles. :rolleyes:

They will be getting fatter because they are eating more / too much.
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The whipped oils in sauces are crazy like a large domino's garlic dip tub is 600+ calories on its own.

A lot of modern convinece foods tend to be crispy fried/baked as they travel and store well but then you start having a dip with them as we like a bit of moisture.

I think that shift to quick crispy convenience food with a whipped oil dip over soups and saucy dishes really ups your calories without you realising it.

Noodles in broth vs crispy noodles and a mayo topper etc
 
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