Obesity

andybird123 said:
What happens when you eat any carbohydrate, what does your body do with it? It converts is to glucose.

The reported diets of the med and Japanese that your referring to are eroneus. They eat a lot of meat in the med, it also isn't "Japan" that gets the best rap, it's Okinawa, where they eat. a lot of pork.
Hong Kong also has one of the best longevity in the world, they also have the highest meat consumption per capita. The whole "blue zone" thing has been thoroughly debunked as in accurate reporting.

There is also a large study of blood markers in centenarians which pretty heavily contradicts what doctors will tell you about cholesterol etc. guess what diet their markers are closest to/indicate?
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We eat noodles for breakfast, one of the most popular dish is ham macaroni, or French Toast (covered in syrup no less). Or Congee. We think no meal is complete without rice.

We eat a lot of pork, but we also eat lots of carbs.

Why am I saying We? I was born in Hong Kong, I grew up there. I know what we eat, and it is not all pork. Would you like some pictures? People in Hong Kong also move a lot, they don't have cars, much like the Japanese in cities, they walk, a lot. 10,000 steps a day is easy to do for everyone. If you want to get anywhere, you move your bum. Not in a car, but get to the nearest station, up and down stairs. There are lots of walking, everyday.

Debunk that.

People in Japan also eat lots of rice and as for Okinawa....their obesity rate is the highest in Japan, due to the American influence....bet you forgot that one didn't you? The people who live longest are the older generation...not so much into the modern American style food.

The iconic Okinawa snack is Musubi, it has about 70/30 rice to spam ratio. wrapped in seaweed. A popular Japanese snack all over is what is call an origiri, basically a rice triangle ball thing wrapped in seaweed, it might have like a tea spoon of tuna inside. People often grab that on the go, from a 7-11 and eat it when they get to their desk for breakfast. It cost about 130 yen, about 70p.
 
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A little bonus fact...

In Cantonese when we say "it's time to eat" or "let's eat", basically a way to say Meal Time. We say "Eat Rice". When the parents call the kids to "come eat dinner", the word's literal translation is "Eat Rice".

The word Rice and the word Meal basically functions the same. So you can see why we think no meal is complete without rice.
 
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oh dear raymond, it would appear you've scored somewhat of a massive own goal

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more than half of the city's adults are now overweight or obese, marking a 20% increase over the past two decades
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Raymond Lin said:
A little bonus fact...

In Cantonese when we say "it's time to eat" or "let's eat", basically a way to say Meal Time. We say "Eat Rice". When the parents call the kids to "come eat dinner", the word's literal translation is "Eat Rice".

The word Rice and the word Meal basically functions the same. So you can see why we think no meal is complete without rice.
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its the same in vietnam "an com", when you ask someone if they had lunch or dinner yet you ask them if they "ate rice" yet

my in laws are all obese or overweight

both my brother in laws are asking info on low carb diet, my father in law just says he's had a good life and would rather die
 
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Safe guess that people have been eating rice for millenia
Something changed that causes them to eat more, whether rice or other food

Its sugar. Unlike other carbs that end up in glucose, sugar is half fructose.
Fructose is in many ways like ethanol. It can only be metabolised in liver. And in high doses causes liver mitochondrial damage, fatty liver and insulin resistance. Followed by obesity, high blood pressure etc, all symptoms of metabolic syndrome.
And once you have it, even eating rice causes insulin spikes and increased fat generation.
 
andybird123 said:
its the same in vietnam "an com", when you ask someone if they had lunch or dinner yet you ask them if they "ate rice" yet

my in laws are all obese or overweight

both my brother in laws are asking info on low carb diet, my father in law just says he's had a good life and would rather die
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They are over weight because they over eat.

It’s basically that simple. You have a sample of like 5, there are 7 millions in Hong Kong, come on. Are you still not seeing this?

The Japanese are mostly skinny, the one place where it has the most obese people is the one place where America has a base…where their influence to the locals the most. It’s almost like evolution in action here.

Being healthy has a lot of factors, it is not simply eat beef.

Move more, eat a balance diet, don’t over eat, enjoy your food.

andybird123 said:
oh dear raymond, it would appear you've scored somewhat of a massive own goal

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The first person to bring up Hong Kong as an example of Longevity is.....Not me....You would do well to remember I only ever said The Med and the Japanese...and I have only ever quoted the BMI in Japanese, no where else.

andybird123 said:
What happens when you eat any carbohydrate, what does your body do with it? It converts is to glucose.

The reported diets of the med and Japanese that your referring to are eroneus. They eat a lot of meat in the med, it also isn't "Japan" that gets the best rap, it's Okinawa, where they eat. a lot of pork.
Hong Kong also has one of the best longevity in the world, they also have the highest meat consumption per capita. The whole "blue zone" thing has been thoroughly debunked as in accurate reporting.

There is also a large study of blood markers in centenarians which pretty heavily contradicts what doctors will tell you about cholesterol etc. guess what diet their markers are closest to/indicate?
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P.s. I left in 1991....over 3 decades ago...

The only own goal here is yours.
 
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Raymond Lin said:
7 millions in Hong Kong
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yes, and over half of them are overweight or obese eating the diet you just gave us a three page dissertation on why its so healthy eating carbs

you can't have it both ways

I've repeatedly pointed out in this thread how I don't trust epidemiology.

the most recent data I can find for Japan -
but has increased 1.5‐fold in men over the past three decades; the change is striking in men in their 20s, for whom obesity levels have approximately doubled
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Dude, we're not children, making things 50 point size and bold is not a good look.
 
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andybird123 said:
yes, and over half of them are overweight or obese eating the diet you just gave us a three page dissertation on why its so healthy eating carbs

you can't have it both ways

I've repeatedly pointed out in this thread how I don't trust epidemiology.

the most recent data I can find for Japan -


Dude, we're not children, making things 50 point size and bold is not a good look.
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I am reminding you that the own goal you scored, is yourself, seemingly you forgot who brought up using Hong Kong as an example....so I thought I need to remind you, as you have forgotten already.

It is YOUR own goal.

And people have been eating those diets for 100 years and not get fat, it is the over eating, it is the modern diet. You take 1 look at the overall stat and paint a picture, like you do with Okinanwa, without looking into the detail of the social aspect of it. You cherry pick your facts.

I remind you, you brought up Hong Kong...you used them as an example of longevity. You did that. And then you found an article that kicked yourself in the nuts.
 
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Safe to say on average I probably consume at least 250-300g of carbs a day and my annual health check are consistently good. I'm technically in this 'Obese' category but I have been strength training for around 14 years.

How many professional athletes, who have qualified nutritionists, eat a carnivore/keto diet?

It's not carbs, its flat out gluttony teamed with an aspect of laziness / mental health issues. There is no need to demonise food, just don't be a tw*t when eating it and know your limits.
 
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Defy Belief said:
How many professional athletes, who have qualified nutritionists, eat a carnivore/keto diet?
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increasingly quite a few
6x champion Ironman triathlete Dave Scott and Tour de France winner Chris Froome have used the low carb diet
Zach Bitter is the 100-mile record holder - fully carnivore

there isn't like a central repository for this type of thing so you have to quite a bit of googling to find examples but it is becoming more widespread, there was a rugby team who were mostly carnivore as well but I forget who
 
Defy Belief said:
Safe to say on average I probably consume at least 250-300g of carbs a day and my annual health check are consistently good. I'm technically in this 'Obese' category but I have been strength training for around 14 years.

How many professional athletes, who have qualified nutritionists, eat a carnivore/keto diet?

It's not carbs, its flat out gluttony teamed with an aspect of laziness / mental health issues. There is no need to demonise food, just don't be a tw*t when eating it and know your limits.
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You have hit on two aspects that I would say are a root cause and a third would be availability
 
andybird123 said:
do you even understand how longevity statistics work?
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Do you even remember who brought up Hong Kong as an example and then who found an article about Hong Kong? This is like the "do you know what Store means?" Scoring an own goal and clinging on straws about something else in an attempt to save face. You do this a lot.

Go eat some beef, if you think that's all your body needs put the beef where your mouth is, eat nothing but beef for the rest of your life. It is unlikely to be a very long one, and a very constipated one.

We will continue to enjoy our delicious, balanced, diet, eating all the cuisine the world has to offer.

Good day.
 
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andybird123 said:
increasingly quite a few
6x champion Ironman triathlete Dave Scott and Tour de France winner Chris Froome have used the low carb diet
Zach Bitter is the 100-mile record holder - fully carnivore

there isn't like a central repository for this type of thing so you have to quite a bit of googling to find examples but it is becoming more widespread, there was a rugby team who were mostly carnivore as well but I forget who
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Thats old news for Chris Froome now. Professional cyclists used to eat low carbs to be fat adapted but that has changed now, during race days now they guzzle carbs more than ever. In the old days of Froome winning TdF, they used to eat 60g her hour of carbs to keep them fuelled (theory being thats all they can absorb in an hour), now they knock back 120g+ per hour and the average speeds are considerably faster as a result https://velo.outsideonline.com/road...ydrate-revolution-is-speeding-up-pro-cycling/

Note that in the article I linked it quotes an Ineos nutritionist which is the same team that Chris Froome rode in (Team Sky just change in sponsor)
 
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andybird123 said:
increasingly quite a few
6x champion Ironman triathlete Dave Scott and Tour de France winner Chris Froome have used the low carb diet
Zach Bitter is the 100-mile record holder - fully carnivore

there isn't like a central repository for this type of thing so you have to quite a bit of googling to find examples but it is becoming more widespread, there was a rugby team who were mostly carnivore as well but I forget who
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Don't think Dave Scott was until the tail end of his career by the looks

Zach Bitter quote. Bitter explains on a recovery day he would consume a lot of animal products like salmon, eggs and red meat, but if he’s doing a big training run he reintroduces carbohydrates–he refers to carbs as rocket fuel. “If I’m doing something really strenuous, carbs are an advantage from a training standpoint.”
 
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Defy Belief said:
Don't think Dave Scott was until the tail end of his career by the looks

Zach Bitter quote. Bitter explains on a recovery day he would consume a lot of animal products like salmon, eggs and red meat, but if he’s doing a big training run he reintroduces carbohydrates–he refers to carbs as rocket fuel. “If I’m doing something really strenuous, carbs are an advantage from a training standpoint.”
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there's reference to a few more in here;
www.smh.com.au

'I f---ing love meat': the athletes who swear by a 'carnivore' diet

Some athletes are crediting an “animal-based” diet with improving their performance and fixing various health issues. While the science is still out, there's plenty to gnaw on.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
 
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