Observation or Fat Shaming?

fendi said:
well you have simps that date these things and also guys off dating apps that smash and dash (but wouldn't be caught in public with them). this gives them the idea that they don't look that bad, or at least they are 'normal'. then you have their fat friends or social media following reinforcing it all by telling them how beautiful they look. the delusion continues.

so they either get a simp that will put up with it and provide. or they get banged multiple times a year by a horny good looking guy.

they won't ever not get male attention.

the market dictates their value. if they got zero male attention they would be forced to compete with other females and be in half decent shape.

but many men have no standards in today's world because they don't value themselves so take what they can get.
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What about fat blokes?
 
tom_e said:
What about fat blokes?
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fat men?

they know they are fat. and get on with life knowing this. if someone calls them fat. they most likely won't argue that they aren't (some narcissists will)

there is no positive reinforcement from society when it comes to fat men. fat men don't tell each other how great they look.

on dating apps fat men are invisible and won't get matches unless it's from a gold digger or someone looking for a provider. but even then you better make a lot of money or you will be overlooked. it doesn't matter if you are a great guy.

a fat man is a sad thing to see in life. they clearly don't respect themselves, and most likely won't be respected by their peers. regardless of other achievements in life. getting slim is one of the easier things to put you above the competition. and if you are doing well in other aspects of life, you are literally in the top 5%.

that's how it is and always will be.
 
fendi said:
fat men?

they know they are fat. and get on with life knowing this. if someone calls them fat. they most likely won't argue that they aren't (some narcissists will)

there is no positive reinforcement from society when it comes to fat men. fat men don't tell each other how great they look.

on dating apps fat men are invisible and won't get matches unless it's from a gold digger or someone looking for a provider. but even then you better make a lot of money or you will be overlooked. it doesn't matter if you are a great guy.

a fat man is a sad thing to see in life. they clearly don't respect themselves, and most likely won't be respected by their peers. regardless of other achievements in life. getting slim is one of the easier things to put you above the competition. and if you are doing well in other aspects of life, you are literally in the top 5%.

that's how it is and always will be.
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Written by a fat guy... Honestly where do you get time and the life experiences to come up with stuff like that. Creepy.

Jesus I'm glad I'm older and past dating apps being the way that you kids communicate with women.

What a backstep in human evolution.

Good god I'm only 45... When did the world. Clearly go wrong.


Lol rant mode
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
I said elsewhere on these forums, I volunteered for tests at a place in Cambridge back in the 80s along with around 20 other people.
At the end of the weekend I was told that my calorie burn rate was 1200 calories which fell short of the 2200 for a normal male.
So it is true that if I eat 1201 calories then I'm going to put weight on but it's a bit unfair that I have to eat 1000 calories less than a normal average man.
There was one woman who could only eat 900 calories and a man who could eat around 3500 calories.
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That 1200 kcal should be your basic metabolic rate, i.e. you sit and do absolutely nothing.

That 2200 for a normal male or whatever includes things like exercise and general life.
 
fendi said:
there is no positive reinforcement from society when it comes to fat men. fat men don't tell each other how great they look.
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Depends, you ever been to strong man events? Or Gay Bear clubs? It also very much depends on what kind of fat you are. There’s fat but also muscly and strong, and there’s weak skinny fat with no redeeming physical qualities.

fendi said:
on dating apps fat men are invisible and won't get matches unless it's from a gold digger or someone looking for a provider. but even then you better make a lot of money or you will be overlooked. it doesn't matter if you are a great guy.
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What I’ve noted about people, generally from the incel community who say this, is that they ignore the women who do match with them, who are in their league.

They really mean men are invisible to *attractive women*, they are visible to the ones who are on par with them, but they don’t count those women as for what ever reason (I think porn and social media), they think they are entitled to attractive women and grossly over estimate where they stand as equals in the sexual value market.

The only way to change this is for them to increase their sexual market value, but that tends to involve an awful lot of hard work, both mentally and physically, for any real gains. Much easier to be bitter and lazy.
 
hurfdurf said:
Depends, you ever been to strong man events? Or Gay Bear clubs? It also very much depends on what kind of fat you are. There’s fat but also muscly and strong, and there’s weak skinny fat with no redeeming physical qualities.



What I’ve noted about people, generally from the incel community who say this, is that they ignore the women who do match with them, who are in their league.

They really mean men are invisible to *attractive women*, they are visible to the ones who are on par with them, but they don’t count those women as for what ever reason (I think porn and social media), they think they are entitled to attractive women and grossly over estimate where they stand as equals in the sexual value market.

The only way to change this is for them to increase their sexual market value, but that tends to involve an awful lot of hard work, both mentally and physically, for any real gains. Much easier to be bitter and lazy.
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That’s just nonsense, the point is that personality basically matters nothing to most. Most women talk a good game about wanting a gentleman etc. but 9 times out of 10 will go after the over-confident buff guy. At least men are honest about it.
 
pioneer2000 said:
That’s just nonsense, the point is that personality basically matters nothing to most. Most women talk a good game about wanting a gentleman etc. but 9 times out of 10 will go after the over-confident buff guy. At least men are honest about it.
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No one said personality mattered. In fact, it’s well known personality doesn’t matter. Science has proven it.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19558447/

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/per.2087

What have I posted that’s nonsense? To improve ones sexual market value, a short, fat out of shape male could go to the gym, change their diet, improve their job and net worth, and increase their desirability to the opposite sex.

I guarantee if you are fat, but you can bench 200 and squat 400 for reps, you too will be seen as over confident and buff by fat losers who don’t even go to the gym.

Just don’t expect to date a 8/10 when you are a 3/10. Work on yourself and go for 6’s once you’ve got more going for you.

Why would you ever listen to someone tell you what they want, words mean very little, most people think they know what they want, but their actions reveal what they actually want.
 
fendi said:
that's how it is and always will be.
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Not sure about that, wasn't being fat once seen as a sign of wealth and power, basically because all the poor people were starving!
It might still be seen that way in some cultures.
But yes, in general in society it is seen in a poor light, and being morbidly overweight is not something that should be celebrated.
I saw a group of friends last week that I haven't seen for two years, and while most of them had taken the opportunity to lose weight, two of them that were fat before have basically turned into zeppelins. They were seriously obese, and if they don't drop dead in the next couple of years I'll be quite surprised.
 
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