**OcUK EXCLUSIVE - MSI GX60 AMD TRINITY RADEON 7970M HARDCORE GAMING LAPTOP!!**

Martini1991 said:
Borderlands 2 is CPU intensive, alas I'm not sure if it has a benchmark feature.
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Need a game that is benchmarkable easily out of the box, no hacks or mods, just an easy to run benchmark to compare the two laptops in-game performance in a game that also gives the CPU a working out. :)
 
Martini1991 said:
Shogun 2 total war.
But that's horrendously GPU intensive too.

That said, it has more than one benchmark mode.
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OK gonna install Shogun 2 and Sleeping Dogs.

Can someone post me some instructions on how to benchmark please with these two titles please? :)
 
Meaker said:
I am talking about the pci-e bottleneck on intel setups they still need to fix.
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Intel has PCI-E 3.0, what PCI-E bottleneck?
At 8x/8x on the 3XXX series CPU's it's no different to 16x/16x on AMD, as AMD are still on PCI-E 2.0 (Not that there's any difference in performance difference from a 16x 2.0 and a 16x 3.0)

Previously your point may have had some merit, but even 8x/8x hasn't been that much of a bottleneck, so it'd only ever be a minor one.
 
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Gibbo said:
Why not?

So you'd rather say get a 660M laptop with I7 3630QM or an older GTX 570M based laptop which will all get a severe ass kicking by the all AMD laptop with 7970M in games.
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I think most of are saying that we would rather buy a £1000 laptop with the lowest grade i5 Ivy Bridge in it powering the 7970m, than have the AMD powering it, which is still a weaker CPU no matter what you say. There are many professional reviews that back that up using a wide variety of CPU tests.

I think a lof of you are under-estimating the power of AMD. :)
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I think you are underestimating the knowledge of the OCUK memberbase and the sheer amount of research we do into new hardware. We have probably all read most of the professional reviews and we thus have a very good idea how they compare to Intel CPU's. While im sure you know more than the average guy Gibbo as you come into contact with so much hardware, I imagine you do a fair bit less less research and tinkering around than most of us guys do in our spare time. :)
 
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Richdog said:
I think most of are saying that we would rather buy a £1000 laptop with the lowest grade i5 Ivy Bridge in it powering the 7970m, than have the AMD powering it, which is still a weaker CPU no matter what you say. There are many professional reviews that back that up using a wide variety of CPU tests.



I think you are underestimating the knowledge of the OCUK memberbase and the sheer amount of research we do into new hardware. We have probably all read most of the professional reviews and we thus have a very good idea how they compare to Intel CPU's. While im sure you know more than the average guy Gibbo as you come into contact with so much hardware, I imagine you do a fair bit less less research and tinkering around than most of us guys do in our spare time. :)
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My point is though.

1k buys you a 660M I5 based laptop.
1k buys you a 7970M Trinity based laptop.

If in actual gaming performance at the laptops native resolution (1920x1080) the AMD system in all games is faster which it shall be as even in the most CPU intensive games, the 7970M will still push it ahead.

Why buy the 660M based I5 gaming laptop, when your games would be running slower than the AMD Trinity based 7970M laptop?

This is my point, yes I know an I5 processor is quicker than an AMD Trinity, but games are far more reliant on the GPU at 1920x1080 rather than the CPU, including the more CPU intensive games. As such AMD Trinity laptop with 7970M offers the better gaming experience at the £1000 price point and in some games can match much more expensive rivals.

This is my point. :)

When AMD solve the Enduro issue, then of course the best solution will be an OcUK built laptop with an I5/I7 with a 7970M. But whilst the Enduro issue is still a problem the actual AMD Trinity 7970M laptop is faster than our own OcUK 7970M based laptop with I7-3820QM, this is a fact.

But lets see how the game benchmarks fair, Shogun 2 is downloading, hope to get done tomorrow.
 
Martini1991 said:
Intel has PCI-E 3.0, what PCI-E bottleneck?
At 8x/8x on the 3XXX series CPU's it's no different to 16x/16x on AMD, as AMD are still on PCI-E 2.0 (Not that there's any difference in performance difference from a 16x 2.0 and a 16x 3.0)

Previously your point may have had some merit, but even 8x/8x hasn't been that much of a bottleneck, so it'd only ever be a minor one.
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This is why you only join in if you know about the issues, the enduro utilisation issues (which AMD have stated is a problem in handling the PCI-E bus) are plastered all over the NBR forums.

In optimus/enduro the integrated card sends the rendering requests to the dedicated card, then the final frame is also copied again over the bus to the frame buffer of the integrated chip to finally be outputted. This step is quite bandwidth intensive and if it's not quite right will hold up the FPS significantly.
 
Gibbo said:
My point is though.

1k buys you a 660M I5 based laptop.
1k buys you a 7970M Trinity based laptop.

If in actual gaming performance at the laptops native resolution (1920x1080) the AMD system in all games is faster which it shall be as even in the most CPU intensive games, the 7970M will still push it ahead.

Why buy the 660M based I5 gaming laptop, when your games would be running slower than the AMD Trinity based 7970M laptop?

This is my point, yes I know an I5 processor is quicker than an AMD Trinity, but games are far more reliant on the GPU at 1920x1080 rather than the CPU, including the more CPU intensive games. As such AMD Trinity laptop with 7970M offers the better gaming experience at the £1000 price point and in some games can match much more expensive rivals.

This is my point. :)

When AMD solve the Enduro issue, then of course the best solution will be an OcUK built laptop with an I5/I7 with a 7970M. But whilst the Enduro issue is still a problem the actual AMD Trinity 7970M laptop is faster than our own OcUK 7970M based laptop with I7-3820QM, this is a fact.

But lets see how the game benchmarks fair, Shogun 2 is downloading, hope to get done tomorrow.
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The other bonus is AMD use a fully standard MXM slot so swapping out later could happen ;)
 
You didn't at all mention anything about enduro in that post, rather Intel and PCI-E bottleneck (I figured you meant desktop), as Gibbo's OP points out about enduro and Intel, that said, he also mentioned about AMD fixing it.
I haven't a clue who's at fault with the enduro thing.
 
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judmann said:
Gibbo waiting for benchmarks before i buy,what time does offer end ? because if price goes up then its a no deal.:(
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Hi there

Only ran Shogun 2 so far on the AMD, it got:-

DX11 1080P @ 48fps
DX11 720P @ 70fps
DX9 CPU @ 13fps


Sleeping Dogs results:-



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Shall run Shogun 2 & Sleeping Dogs on the GTX 680M later and post the results. :)
 
how about this for a laptop £999 would this be better.

15.6" MSI GE60 0ND-285UK, i7-3630QM, 8GB DDR3, 750GB SATA HDD, Blu-ray, GTX660M 2GB GDDR5, Win 7 HP

Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium
• The latest 3rd generation Intel® Core™ i7 Processor
• 15.6" Full HD (1920x1080) anti-glare LCD panel in LED backlight
• High-end NVIDIA® GeForce GTX 660M discrete graphics card (with GDDR5 2GB VRAM) provides great detail images quality
• Killer Gaming Networking for priority online gaming
• Slim, lightweight design with sport lines
• A Keyboard made just for gamers by SteelSeries
• Exclusive Audio boost design for greatly enhance headphone performance and faithfully reproduce each acoustic detail
• Exclusive TDE(Turbo Drive Engine) technology to speed up the performance easily
• THX TruStudio Pro provides excellent surround sound effect
 
judmann said:
how about this for a laptop £999 would this be better.

15.6" MSI GE60 0ND-285UK, i7-3630QM, 8GB DDR3, 750GB SATA HDD, Blu-ray, GTX660M 2GB GDDR5, Win 7 HP

Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium
• The latest 3rd generation Intel® Core™ i7 Processor
• 15.6" Full HD (1920x1080) anti-glare LCD panel in LED backlight
• High-end NVIDIA® GeForce GTX 660M discrete graphics card (with GDDR5 2GB VRAM) provides great detail images quality
• Killer Gaming Networking for priority online gaming
• Slim, lightweight design with sport lines
• A Keyboard made just for gamers by SteelSeries
• Exclusive Audio boost design for greatly enhance headphone performance and faithfully reproduce each acoustic detail
• Exclusive TDE(Turbo Drive Engine) technology to speed up the performance easily
• THX TruStudio Pro provides excellent surround sound effect
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Better cpu but worse gpu. If it's for gaming I would go with the GX60.

Shame the price has gone up as at under £1k it was a bargain.
 
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