OCUK RTX4060TI review thread

[Purgatory]

The 4060ti should be called a 3060ti OC v2 and that's really what it is and with new limitations with memory bus and pcie size 8x vs 16x. But they are selling it as a generation better card which it clearly is not as it has in some cases gone backward and only thing they are trying to sell with it is DLSS3 and AV1.. everything else has either not changed or gone backwards..

Honestly this is more disgusting than the whole GTX 970 scandal and other things Nvidia has done in the past. They have gone full narcissist this generation and AMD is just following their lead too.. Its so obvious they have both got together this generation in some way to give us this mess.. It will all come up in the future when someone blows the whistle to what is going on and I'm not a tinfoil hat type but something is very off this generation from both AMD and Nvidia. Time will tell.

 

[Troezar]

They seem to be holding performance back for some reason. It's either to sell off the old cards first, or lack of competition and so may as well keep some performance back to compete with AMD if they catch up or just an attempt to maintain their margins of the last few years. Probably a combination of some or all of them. It will definitely be a deliberate decision, companies the size of Nvidia don't do things by mistake.

 

[Lightnix]

They seem to be holding performance back for some reason. It's either to sell off the old cards first, or lack of competition and so may as well keep some performance back to compete with AMD if they catch up or just an attempt to maintain their margins of the last few years. Probably a combination of some or all of them. It will definitely be a deliberate decision, companies the size of Nvidia don't do things by mistake.

Yeah I think there's some degree of "apple-isation" of Nvidia to go with all of this. High margins with costly upsells. Cheaper (but still expensive) products are compromised in fundamental ways rather than being balanced products on a neat sliding scale. Nothing is a great, only there to upsell the next thing up. The $100 VRAM upsell on the 4060 ti feels like a particularly stark example of this kind of thing.

Then AMD just sort of tries to slot into that but they don't have as tight control over their supply so their prices do actually seem to slip over time a bit more.

 

[Purgatory]

They seem to be holding performance back for some reason. It's either to sell off the old cards first, or lack of competition and so may as well keep some performance back to compete with AMD if they catch up or just an attempt to maintain their margins of the last few years. Probably a combination of some or all of them. It will definitely be a deliberate decision, companies the size of Nvidia don't do things by mistake.

I'm guessing the fears they have with future silicon manufacturing and node size issues coming very soon. So they will drip feed us now as the whole silicon age is slowly coming to an end and we need a new technology to advance and new manufacturing technologies on new materials.

 

[Lightnix]

I'm guessing the fears they have with future silicon manufacturing and node size issues coming very soon. So they will drip feed us now as the whole silicon age is slowly coming to an end and we need a new technology to advance and new manufacturing technologies on new materials.

That's Nvidia's line although a lot of other industry leaders disagree with them. 3nm is not really "3nm" though so it's all a bit misleading, they will actually have e.g. gate pitch around 28nm (at smallest, there's a range) in reality. So we're much further from that 0.2nm atomic hard limit than you'd think from the current marketing which is a bit detached from reality.

 

[Joxeon]

I'm guessing the fears they have with future silicon manufacturing and node size issues coming very soon. So they will drip feed us now as the whole silicon age is slowly coming to an end and we need a new technology to advance and new manufacturing technologies on new materials.

TSMC 5>3 will be a much smaller jump than Samsung 8>N4 so it wouldn’t surprise me if Nvidia is trying to limit the performance they are giving, not to mention selling smaller dies and gimped cards means more margin and people needing to upgrade again soon rather than later.

 

[Lightnix]

TSMC 5>3 will be a much smaller jump than Samsung 8>N4 so it wouldn’t surprise me if Nvidia is trying to limit the performance they are giving, not to mention selling smaller dies and gimped cards means more margin and people needing to upgrade again soon rather than later.

Yeah it's notable to me that the xx60 series cards received relatively small performance improvements in both the 3000 series and 4000 series. You'd think at some point they'll finally give in and start giving the cards decent gen-on-gen 40-60% bumps like we see at the high end.

 

[Purgatory]

8k becoming the standard......



Given consoles are back to 30 fps @ 4k, if that for most of the time, not a chance.

16k is years away, 4k only really become the standard over recent couple of years.

Yeah 8k belongs in the same place as 1080p, the bin

What a pointless marketing thing they came up with.

 

[t2na]

I understand that a lot of Nvidia's (and AMDs) marketing has been about how the majority of PC gamers are still using 1080p - but they do not think that's because GPUs are still so expensive to get that same level of performance at 1440p/4k as they are on 1080p? I'm sure if the 4060 was beating the 3070/3080 at the traditional 60 series pricing then the PC gamers at 1080p would start to be in a position to upgrade their resolutions.

I have a few friends who mainly stick to esports games (CS, LoL, Valorant) and then the occasional AAA single player game - and as a result have 60 series cards (more recently the 2060 super, 3060 etc.).

DLSS was always great for them since it's introduction because it meant they could play 1080p/240hz on the esports game at native res, then plug into a 4k TV for the single player games and use DLSS for playing at 4k60.

For me, that was where DLSS was a great addition - making a GPU almost serve a double purpose and getting good value from it. But it just seems like it hasn't evolved in the 2 generations since then, it's still talking about 1080p gaming vs. actually making that 60 series into a solid 1440p offering.

 

[Aegis]

Yeah it's notable to me that the xx60 series cards received relatively small performance improvements in both the 3000 series and 4000 series. You'd think at some point they'll finally give in and start giving the cards decent gen-on-gen 40-60% bumps like we see at the high end.

30-series was definitely down (compared to 1060->2060) but nowhere near as bad as 3060 Ti->4060 Ti

1060->2060 = 59%
1060->2060 Super = 78%
2060->3060 = 19%
2060 Super -> 3060 Ti = 32%

 

[subbytna]

TBF, it is inevitable 8k becoming mainstream but you're talking about years for that..... 4k alone is hardly exactly mainstream.



Yup sadly 1920x1080 still the dominant res. In terms of technology, it really is dated though.

84% of the gaming community have GPUs with less than 8gb of vram too so lots are still stuck in 1080P time in more than 1 way!

Exactly, 4k is barely mainstream just now.

Outside these forums of enthusiasts, 4k is only on TV's and not much on "average Joe" computer screens.

8k is years away

 

[Alt0153]

Exactly, 4k is barely mainstream just now.

Outside these forums of enthusiasts, 4k is only on TV's and not much on "average Joe" computer screens.

8k is years away

its years away when they keep moving the goalposts with smaller dies and less performance

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I understand that a lot of Nvidia's (and AMDs) marketing has been about how the majority of PC gamers are still using 1080p - but they do not think that's because GPUs are still so expensive to get that same level of performance at 1440p/4k as they are on 1080p? I'm sure if the 4060 was beating the 3070/3080 at the traditional 60 series pricing then the PC gamers at 1080p would start to be in a position to upgrade their resolutions.

I and a few others have been saying this for years. This mainstream stagnation is now holding back mainstream PC gamers from using high resolution monitors,or even devs targetting more intensive effects.

 

[Joxeon]

Yeah it's notable to me that the xx60 series cards received relatively small performance improvements in both the 3000 series and 4000 series. You'd think at some point they'll finally give in and start giving the cards decent gen-on-gen 40-60% bumps like we see at the high end.

Yeah the high end is pulling away, the 3090 was around 75% faster than a 3060ti while the 4090 is around 200% faster than a 4060ti.

So a 4090 is 3x the speed for 4x the cost or almost a perfect scaling of 3x the speed for 3x the cost on the non DOA 16gb version.

 

[Alt0153]

Yeah the high end is pulling away, the 3090 was around 75% faster than a 3060ti while the 4090 is around 200% faster than a 4060ti.

So a 4090 is 3x the speed for 4x the cost or almost a perfect scaling of 3x the speed for 3x the cost on the non DOA 16gb version.

its going to be doa anyway for costing 100 more

 

[Joxeon]

its going to be doa anyway for costing 100 more

Well yeah but at least it’ll be able to run all the games a 1080p even if it’s performance is underwhelming.

 

[Troezar]

Exactly, 4k is barely mainstream just now.

Outside these forums of enthusiasts, 4k is only on TV's and not much on "average Joe" computer screens.

8k is years away

I know a lot of people still watching SD on their 4K TV's! Very few people I know are watching 4K media on their 4K TV's and those that are have to put up with lower quality streams. We're a long way from full 8K media. I don't count watching reruns in SD on an 8K TV.

 

[Lightnix]

30-series was definitely down (compared to 1060->2060) but nowhere near as bad as 3060 Ti->4060 Ti

1060->2060 = 59%
1060->2060 Super = 78%
2060->3060 = 19%
2060 Super -> 3060 Ti = 32%

Yeah it's just getting worse at this point. If a hypothetical 4060 had improved over the 2060 as much as the 4090 has done over the 2080 ti then it'd basically be sitting at 3090 performance. That's just slightly below where the 4070 ti sits now.

At this rate they'll be telling us the 5060 ti is still a "1080p" card at roughly 3070 ti performance and £450, with a 5090 doing 4x that.

 

[banja]

I'm a 1080p casual gamer, and happy staying so. Have my eye on the 4060ti (want to stay nvidia) Would the 8gb card be a good buy for me? Ideally I think I'd like the 4070ti but I can't justify the cost.

 

[Poneros]

Beautiful, but yeah, the extra pixels end up gimping every other PQ characteristic so not worth it even at 110". Gimme this instead: