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OcUK RX6500XT review thread

I don't think they had a choice with the pcie thing, at least not once they had decided to use a repurposed laptop gpu. Its also why it only has 2 display outs and no encoder.

I genuinely think its a result of them going whats the cheapest thing we can make that will be resistant to the scalpers and miners that have taken over the market. And they succeeded... only problem is that its pretty **** for most gamers as well.

I was thinking about it, and if they had used a different chip. 8 pcie lanes, encoder, 6gb of vram etc. But still basically the same performance, just without the horrible drop off if you go outside the sweet spot. It would probably have still gotten bad reviews. Cos it would probably have had an msrp closer to the $250 to cover the higher production cost, and still sat about 20% behind the 3050.
And it probably would have gotten more interest from scalpers. So the street price would likely jumped up higher still.

Its all very depressing as I honestly don't see what they could do that would actually fix things. After seeing how aggressively the 3050s sold out its pretty clear that the market is still in a really terrible place.

I can't decide what is better - releasing a reasonably decent card like the 3050 but having it fly of the shelves and be difficult to get like everything else, or releasing a **** card that stays on the shelves...but only because it is rubbish.

Both are bad really, although i would say that releasing a half decent gaming gpu is probably better. :p
 
Hi all, just wondered if anyone had seen reviews of this card with older PC games?

I get this is a very bad GPU, but for someone wanting to play older PC games like Grim Dawn, Company of Heroes 1/2, Starcraft 2, The Baldur's Gate Enhanced series with the odd indie title. Would this card easily be able to handle those at 1440p? My assumption is yes and it would be an upgrade over the GPU in the Ryzen 5600g, for example.

Apologies if this is the wrong thread to ask this.
 
Hi all, just wondered if anyone had seen reviews of this card with older PC games?

I get this is a very bad GPU, but for someone wanting to play older PC games like Grim Dawn, Company of Heroes 1/2, Starcraft 2, The Baldur's Gate Enhanced series with the odd indie title. Would this card easily be able to handle those at 1440p? My assumption is yes and it would be an upgrade over the GPU in the Ryzen 5600g, for example.

Apologies if this is the wrong thread to ask this.
Yes that would be a perfect use case scenario, but mind you it might still require pcie 4.0 for smooth gaming at that higher res. >3x perf. increase over 5600g. Haven't seen any specific tests of those though but extrapolating from similar ones that were tested (csgo, etc.)
 
Yes that would be a perfect use case scenario, but mind you it might still require pcie 4.0 for smooth gaming at that higher res. >3x perf. increase over 5600g. Haven't seen any specific tests of those though but extrapolating from similar ones that were tested (csgo, etc.)

Thank you. I did think so, basically where the requirements are so low that potentially even the GPU in the 5600g suffices, but this would give you a bit more power.

Looking at a new B550 motherboard like this: Gigabyte B550M S2H (AMD AM4) B550 Micro-ATX Motherboard PCI 4.0 is listed so I assume would be fine in that scenario.
 
Hi all, just wondered if anyone had seen reviews of this card with older PC games?

I get this is a very bad GPU, but for someone wanting to play older PC games like Grim Dawn, Company of Heroes 1/2, Starcraft 2, The Baldur's Gate Enhanced series with the odd indie title. Would this card easily be able to handle those at 1440p? My assumption is yes and it would be an upgrade over the GPU in the Ryzen 5600g, for example.

Apologies if this is the wrong thread to ask this.

from 2 x techspot reviews, it`ll be about a 100% improvement over the 5600G iGPU

AMD Ryzen 5 5600G Review | TechSpot

AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT Review: A Bad, Really Bad Graphics Card | TechSpot

Which actually bodes well for the Rembrandt APU release this year
 
from 2 x techspot reviews, it`ll be about a 100% improvement over the 5600G iGPU...

Again thank you, just had a quick read of those reviews. It sounds like Rembrandt might be 25-50% increase over 5600g albeit with no date currently for the desktop part. It also sounds like the 5600g might actually be enough for the above scenario making the 6500XT overkill, maybe.

I've also read the RX 6500XT doesn't include AV1 decode, although tbf neither does the old GPU (Nvidia GTX 1070).
 
Again thank you, just had a quick read of those reviews. It sounds like Rembrandt might be 25-50% increase over 5600g albeit with no date currently for the desktop part. It also sounds like the 5600g might actually be enough for the above scenario making the 6500XT overkill, maybe.

I've also read the RX 6500XT doesn't include AV1 decode, although tbf neither does the old GPU (Nvidia GTX 1070).

A 5600X and the 6500XT would give more cpu `oomph` along with 3200mhz ram than the 5600G, but its extra cost ofc. The question is would the 5700G would worthile for your needs over a 5600G? I suspect teh extra cost wouldnt be worthwhile?
 
A 5600X and the 6500XT would give more cpu `oomph` along with 3200mhz ram than the 5600G, but its extra cost ofc. The question is would the 5700G would worthile for your needs over a 5600G? I suspect teh extra cost wouldnt be worthwhile?

Tbh I hadn't realised both the 5600X and G CPUs were on offer atm (I wouldn't go for the 5700g). I think either of them would be more than enough CPU for my needs. My current ASUS laptop (8750H, 16GB, Nv 1070) is 3.5 yrs old now and although I love the portability, the reality is that it is mostly used for a spreadsheets, documents, internet and maintenance/tinkering on my MiSTer or Unraid boxes. So I'm debating whether it's a new gaming laptop, Mac Mini or self built PC. I don't necessarily need something now, but with the latter two options there may be justifications with doing something sooner.
 
This. Why is it always when an AMD card gets dunked on,the reviewers are not testing it properly?

But when the same reviewers dunked on the GTX1650 4GB(saying an RX570 4GB was better),GT1030 4GB, the RTX3060,RTX2060 12GB,RTX3070TI,RTX3080TI,etc were all considered overpriced jokes nobody was making the same defence?

Most of those reviewers have had barely had anything good to say about any dGPU since January 2021.

CAT people like you are the reason $200 GPU's are dead. Its you and people like you.
 
FX-8320: $160
3570K: $230

The FX-8350 was a good as the 3570K in multithreaded productivity type workloads, it was about 30% slower in Single threaded and games, the FX-8320 used a lot more power, about 120 watts vs about 65 Watts for the 3570K.

The FX-8320 was an objectivity bad CPU, we all agreed you shouldn't buy it, you should buy the 3570K even at $230 vs $160.

Fast forward 10 years or so.

10700K: $374
5600X: $299

The 10700K is 10% faster in multithreaded, the 5600X is 23% faster in singlethreaded and anything from 10 to 30% faster in games, the 10700K uses about 180 watts vs 60 watts of the 5600X.

5600X vs 10700K is like the FX-8320 vs the 3570K in reverse, all people could do is complain at AMD because it was more expensive than the Ryzen 3600, a significantly slower older generation CPU, the 5600X blew the 3600 away in games by as much as 50%, it even blew the 10700K away by as much as 30% if there was no GPU bottleneck, it was also 25% cheaper, no one said the Intel CPU was too expensive, no. The problem was AMD got greedy making objectively good CPU's, how dare they?

Now its 2022, high inflation, high production costs, high component cost, people complain there are no $200 GPU's, AMD make one, it has issues, which it should be criticised for, but if you use it with in its confines it is not a bad GPU. its a medium settings AAA title 60Hz+ GPU at least.

People complain its not a AAA highest settings card, But the RTX 3050 is, even at scalped $450 its better than the RX 6500XT, So hate the RX 6500XT and stump up the extra $250.

Wow, just wow, WTF is wrong with this segment of society?
 
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FX-8320: $160
3570K: $230

The FX-8350 was a good as the 3570K in multithreaded productivity type workloads, it was about 30% slower in Single threaded and games, the FX-8320 used a lot more power, about 120 watts vs about 65 Watts for the 3570K.

The FX-8320 was an objectivity bad CPU, we all agreed you shouldn't buy it, you should buy the 3570K even at $230 vs $160.

Fast forward 10 years or so.

10700K: $374
5600X: $299

The 10700K is 10% faster in multithreaded, the 5600X is 23% faster in singlethreaded and anything from 10 to 30% faster in games, the 10700K uses about 180 watts vs 60 watts of the 5600X.

5600X vs 10700K is like the FX-8320 vs the 3570K in reverse, all people could do is complain at AMD because it was more expensive than the Ryzen 3600, a significantly slower older generation CPU, the 5600X blew the 3600 away in games by as much as 50%, it even blew the 10700K away by as much as 30% if there was no GPU bottleneck, it was also 25% cheaper, no one said the Intel CPU was too expensive, no. The problem was AMD got greedy making objectively good CPU's, how dare they?

Now its 2022, high inflation, high production costs, high component cost, people complain there are no $200 GPU's, AMD make one, it has issues, which it should be criticised for, but if you use it with in its confines it is not a bad GPU. its a medium settings AAA title 60Hz+ GPU at least.

People complain its not a AAA highest settings card, But the RTX 3050 is, even at scalped $450 its better than the RX 6500XT, So hate the RX 6500XT and stump up the extra $250.

Wow, just wow, WTF is wrong with this segment of society?
Problem is that it's not a £200 card, the 6500 is at best, a £140 card in value
 
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CAT people like you are the reason $200 GPU's are dead. Its you and people like you.

Rich coming from people who have defended the price escalation for years now. People have defended every rubbish mainstream dGPU for years.

Even Polaris/Pascal midrange dGPUs were not great when you could have gotten an R9 390/GTX970 for not much more in the UK the year before.

I told people to stop defending these mediocre releases, most of my mates used to be under £250 dGPU buyers.

First people dunked on Turing rightfully but then people defended AMD rebranding its Polaris successor(RX5700XT with a 250MM2 die) as a near £400 dGPU because Nvidia allowed them to. The same goes with the defence of the RX5600XT which caused the RX5700 non-XT to dissappear.

You have the audacity to excuse make for a company selling a 100mm2 dGPU,ie,an RX560 successor for £200ish and tell me I am the reason the market is this way?

AMD CBA with the UK market at all - why couldn't they sell RRP reference models here then?? They did in the EU - that shows you how they couldn't give a rats arse about the UK.

People dunked on Intel overpricing its 6 core dGPUs. Said even though a Ryzen 5 3600 was lower priced,it was all about price/performance.

The moment AMD won and priced its Ryzen 5 5600X over £100 more than a barely smaller Ryzen 5 3600,it was all fine.

So if anything look in the mirror - people always will dunk on Intel/Nvidia if they overprice stuff. But ever since late 2020,people suddenly have excuse made for anything AMD pushes out,even if its poorer value or simply overpriced.

I BLAME people like that 150% for AMD overpricing all of its stuff now.

I saw the same thing during the Athlon 64 era - people dunked on Intel overpricing stuff,but the second AMD did it,it was all perfectly exceptable.

It's that defence which means AMD feels it can do the same nonsense as Intel and Nvidia.

Because all of "value arguments" were because it was AMD.

I always have valued price/performance and decent products irrespective of brand.

Its why all the supporters on here have accused me of either being pro-AMD,pro-Intel or pro-Nvidia,when they are basically exposing their own emotional attachments to foreign owned corporations which are of zero consequence to this country. I care only for value for money,and even that is going to be relative to what came before. I have definitely have an attachment to value for money,even if it means not buying any product in a generation.

I don't exist to prop up any of these idiot corporations. Not companies who have been making record margins and profits.

AMD want's to be the "premium choice" - great for them. I didn't even buy an Athlon 64 because I got fed up of their overpriced CPUs back then and stuck it out with an Athlon XP.

Go and pay more for a pint of milk or something and help our own companies. These foreign taxpayer supported companies don't need our pity or our help.
 
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they all want a piece of the pie, which as the last year has shown (and the scalping in other markets now firmly in computers), the buying public will buy anything, FOMO. Cannot simply go `herp derp miners`; its everything, demand for product from anyone, gamers suddenly finding that play at 1080p on low isnt cutting it anymore (yes AMD sucks for the POS 6500XT, at least make it 8gb to stop the texture thrashing), you have business finding the new tech can run projects a lot faster, when time = money. Shipping when containers are 20x the cost of 18 months ago - and reports of shipments being unloaded dockside because someone else has paid more for the space (thats from reddit and actual kickstarters); covid having a people actually making stuff problem, supply chains from digging material from the ground (or growing in tanks) to the explosion in electronic everything (Internet of Things) in everything you can buy - lets not even talk about cars being laid up (and as Gibbo said, either stupid long lead times or the same car not having features for no cost reduction). Yes more factories can *people* can help, bu the bottlenecks are there for a few years yet. If Musk came in and bout every single 3nm chip from TSMC at top price, in cash, this year, what would happen to everyone else?
 
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they all want a piece of the pie, which as the last year has shown (and the scalping in other markets now firmly in computers), the buying public will buy anything, FOMO. Cannot simply go `herp derp miners`; its everything, demand for product from anyone, gamers suddenly finding that play at 1080p on low isnt cutting it anymore (yes AMD sucks for the POS 6500XT, at least make it 8gb to stop the texture thrashing), you have business finding the new tech can run projects a lot faster, when time = money. Shipping when containers are 20x the cost of 18 months ago - and reports of shipments being unloaded dockside because someone else has paid more for the space (thats from reddit and actual kickstarters); covid having a people actually making stuff problem, supply chains from digging material from the ground (or growing in tanks) to the explosion in elecronic everything (Internet of Things* in everything you can buy - lets not even talk about cars being laid up (and as Gibbo said, either stupid long lead times or the same car not having features for no cost reduction). Yes mroe factories can *people* can help, bu the bottlenecks are there for a few years yet. If Musk came in and bout every single 3nm chip from TSMC at top price, in cash, this year, what would happen to everyone else?

Plus if you see my comments on here - I literally went LOL at the RTX3050 performance too. The RX6500XT is just a poor dGPU no ifs and buts,and most of the people defending it already have a better dGPU.

Its like all the people who defending dual core CPUs,when rocking a Core i7 and saying games won't thread well. The RTX3050 is also mediocre even at RRP - how is GTX1060~GTX1070 performance in 2022 a good thing,when a console obliterates most of these systems.

Most of my mates who are the target class for these dGPUs are looking at the performance and deciding to stay put with even 5~6 year old dGPUs,or considering a console is a better bet.

I am sick and tired of the rank hypocrisy on here. The reality is that they are all at it - I knew this from the point AMD during the Athlon 64 era,went to Intel level premium pricing,and 3 different platforms(754,939 and QuadFX),when they went with Socket 462 for years. We saw it since Vega,AMD was going to match Nvidia on pricing.

Guess what?? ATI also many times matched Nvidia pricing when they were decent too.

I have dunked on so many Intel/Nvidia products on here and I told people to stop using "cost excuses". Nvidia fans used that with Kepler. Do you think all the slides being leaked about Nvidia complaining about 28NM costs were random?? It was probably marketing doing it on purpose trying to push the £900 Titan dGPUs and it worked a treat as people repeated the 28nm costs more mantra on here.

ALL these companies are pandemic profiteering - record gross and net margins,means ALL of them are excuse making. AMD on top of this is selling tons of consoles,which are lower margin. Have you not considered if AMD is making increasing margins,with so many console sales,they are making very decent margins on their CPUs and dGPUs??

Why has no one questioned(and I have said it here for months here),that its easier/cheaper to buy an AMD/Nvidia dGPU in a prebuilt desktop/laptop? Seen a whole RTX3050 desktop with a Ryzen 5 3600 advertised for around £700.

Even MLID has caught up with what I said in one of his recent videos and I told you guys ages ago I noticed this. I also said on here,consoles make more sense. So even buying a console supports AMD.

In fact on record over the last 5 years,maybe longer I have told you chaps,that PCMR enthusiasts are considered a higher margin group. AMD/Nvidia/Intel are all giving great discounts to a number of partners and we need to sometimes step back and not buy or excuse make for them.

Remember all the ones on here defending £300 Core i7s?? I pointed out they were subsidising cheap Atom sales(because of contrarevenue).

When they have huge investment firms such as Black Rock owning shares in AMD,Intel and Nvidia,where do you think it is heading? It's only one way.


Why can't some of you just stop defending these mediocre releases instead of trying to find Diamonds in a pile of turds??

Can't people see the ONLY dGPU releases which were the cards launched in late 2020 at the original RRPs. The rest are just rubbish. During the last mining rush in 2018,the best thing to do was not buy.

Don't buy at these prices,then you will find companies changing tact very quickly. Literally every part I have bought,has been 2020 and earlier releases,because the releases after that are just pandemic profiteering prices and AMD/Intel/Nvidia can keep them.

Plus if pricing gets worse,either I will get a prebuilt system,or a console or just give up gaming. I don't exist to prop these con "charities" who the US taxpayer is already propping up with tax breaks and free money via government contracts.
 
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The one part i disagree with is pricing; the huge scalping companies are now firmly locked onto the computer/ console market ; these same people write bleeding edge bots to bypass the security for trainers / concert tickets / clothes / toys and are now seeing profit streams in computers. When RTX 4000/7000 (PS6 and xbox something) is launched, expect hedging on the products at any price because FOMO and the perception of low availability. Not mining at all, but the entire capitalist trope of demand > supply.
 
The one part i disagree with is pricing; the huge scalping companies are now firmly locked onto the computer/ console market ; these same people write bleeding edge bots to bypass the security for trainers / concert tickets / clothes / toys and are now seeing profit streams in computers. When RTX 4000/7000 (PS6 and xbox something) is launched, expect hedging on the products at any price because FOMO and the perception of low availability. Not mining at all, but the entire capitalist trope of demand > supply.

The fact is all of the tech companies,shipping companies,AIB partners and everyone is using "pandemic" excuses. They are simply increasing prices way above any actual cost increases - record margins and profits at every level. If these companies had flat revenue and margins it might be what you say it is - but the reality is everyone is trying a fast one.

Its like if the price of flour went up by 20% and a loaf of £1 bread a baker makes,uses 40p of flour. So instead of increasing the price by 8p,they push it up to £1.20,by telling their customers flour costs 20% more so the FINAL PRICE costs 20% more. Then someone buys all the loaves and sells them for £1.40,which is where the scalpers come in.

Look at all the tech companies for example - the same massive investment houses own shares in all of them,so you can see who is pushing these prices higher and higher. Then a lot of these CEOs and upper management's wealth is in shares - this is when you realise they couldn't give a rats arse about consumers or even their own employees(many companies have been firing employees despite decent earnings).

AMD when it was first started by people like Jerry Sanders was was not so profit orientated.

He steered the company through hard times as well. In 1974, a particularly bad recession almost broke the company. Through many difficult recessions he refused to lay off employees, a reaction to the rampant layoffs that had occurred at Fairchild earlier. Instead of reducing employees, he asked them to work Saturdays to get more done and get new products out sooner. There were also good times for the company. Sanders gave each one of his employees $100 as they walked out of the door during AMD's first $1M quarter. AMD implemented a cash profit-sharing employee compensation program, where employees would regularly get profit checks of $1,000 or more.

His maxim was "People first, products and profit will follow!" This was given as a printout for each AMD worker who started a job at AMD in Dresden until Sanders's retirement.

That is the AMD I grew up with. The moment he left,AMD moved towards being a typical corporation,and their current upper lot,are typical Silicon Valley types who care more about the massive investment houses.

As a result they have to be treated the same as each other.

Multiple new millionaires(and probably billionaires) have been made out of this pandemic,because everyone can use "human malware" as an excuse to jack pricing up.

People in a few years time will realise this,when all these companies will have made record profits out of the pandemic and got record levels of tax breaks and government(taxpayer) money which we will be footing the cost for.

People's salaries are mostly not increasing at the rate of inflation,and people will be in real terms getting poorer and poorer. Plus we will be all paying more tax,and all the said people who profiteered will have quietly avoided as much tax as they can.

The worst aspect of this is the small and medium businesses appear to have gotten little of the financial help,the larger companies have received so they are weathering the storm far better. I suppose Ralph Nader was right that true capitalism is only preached by smaller businesses,and the rest is almost some form of weird socialism.

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Plus it wouldn't surprise me one bit the actual engineers who get all the blame for decisions are not the wrong party here. It's all the accountant types who make these decisions anyway whilst getting zero of the blame. They are controlling the segmentation in reality. They are controlling the supply too - its in their own interest to restrict supply to our market to keep pricing as high as possible,and justify idiotic RRPs.

Anyway,I am not going to talk more of this here. People need to realise the 2018 crypto boom lead to Turing.

That was another period where abnormal dGPU pricing lead to a horrendous value generation of dGPUs at launch. Luckily there was enough pushback to partially rectifiy this,but this time I really don't know. The issue is the same people excuse making for the same relative pricing back then are doing it now and attacked people when they criticised the pricing. They are the main reason Turing happened - they have learnt nothing and are destroying this hobby. They are addicted to buying stuff and can't understand not buying is also a thing.

Trying to find Diamonds in a pile of turds.

They "NEED" to pick a side.

This is the madness affecting modern politics - its all about "relative" positions not absolute ones,so we end up with the modern political discord which is verging between more and more extremes,and the centre being dunked on.
 
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People complain its not a AAA highest settings card, But the RTX 3050 is, even at scalped $450 its better than the RX 6500XT, So hate the RX 6500XT and stump up the extra $250.

Wow, just wow, WTF is wrong with this segment of society?


asshats expecting 2017 prices. I did quite well out of the current GPU situation. Sold my 5700XT and bought a 6600 XT. same basic fps but using less power and made some cash.
 
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Rich coming from people who have defended the price escalation for years now. People have defended every rubbish mainstream dGPU for years.

Even Polaris/Pascal midrange dGPUs were not great when you could have gotten an R9 390/GTX970 for not much more in the UK the year before.

I told people to stop defending these mediocre releases, most of my mates used to be under £250 dGPU buyers.

First people dunked on Turing rightfully but then people defended AMD rebranding its Polaris successor(RX5700XT with a 250MM2 die) as a near £400 dGPU because Nvidia allowed them to. The same goes with the defence of the RX5600XT which caused the RX5700 non-XT to dissappear.

You have the audacity to excuse make for a company selling a 100mm2 dGPU,ie,an RX560 successor for £200ish and tell me I am the reason the market is this way?

AMD CBA with the UK market at all - why couldn't they sell RRP reference models here then?? They did in the EU - that shows you how they couldn't give a rats arse about the UK.

People dunked on Intel overpricing its 6 core dGPUs. Said even though a Ryzen 5 3600 was lower priced,it was all about price/performance.

The moment AMD won and priced its Ryzen 5 5600X over £100 more than a barely smaller Ryzen 5 3600,it was all fine.

So if anything look in the mirror - people always will dunk on Intel/Nvidia if they overprice stuff. But ever since late 2020,people suddenly have excuse made for anything AMD pushes out,even if its poorer value or simply overpriced.

I BLAME people like that 150% for AMD overpricing all of its stuff now.

I saw the same thing during the Athlon 64 era - people dunked on Intel overpricing stuff,but the second AMD did it,it was all perfectly exceptable.

It's that defence which means AMD feels it can do the same nonsense as Intel and Nvidia.

Because all of "value arguments" were because it was AMD.

I always have valued price/performance and decent products irrespective of brand.

Its why all the supporters on here have accused me of either being pro-AMD,pro-Intel or pro-Nvidia,when they are basically exposing their own emotional attachments to foreign owned corporations which are of zero consequence to this country. I care only for value for money,and even that is going to be relative to what came before. I have definitely have an attachment to value for money,even if it means not buying any product in a generation.

I don't exist to prop up any of these idiot corporations. Not companies who have been making record margins and profits.

AMD want's to be the "premium choice" - great for them. I didn't even buy an Athlon 64 because I got fed up of their overpriced CPUs back then and stuck it out with an Athlon XP.

Go and pay more for a pint of milk or something and help our own companies. These foreign taxpayer supported companies don't need our pity or our help.

Its one thing to complain about the price of things going up, to with in reason its a valid argument to make, but inflation and costs is very real, for your information i don't think anyone could put the 6500XT in your hands for $150, in 2017 yeah probably, today? No, No one wants to make these very low to zero margin GPU's and we may have just given them a reason to knock it on the head, from now on the entry level starts at $300 mark my words. but at least they will do 1080P ultra settings, right?

So a 10700K at $374 is better value than a 5600X at $299.
A 3050 at $450 is better value than a 6500XT at $200.

Its that rank hypocrisy of complaining about over priced products while at the same time encouraging it, just so long as its not AMD.
 
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