Soldato
Oh lawd.
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Oh lawd.
Caporegime
Indeed
Essentially the same joints are moving, just the weight happens to be in a different place for the actual movement.
In exaclty one week Im going back to seethe physio. I'll see what he has to say.
There is no harm in my supplemeting my routine with squats, even if I start with just body weight. Infact you'r right, I should be doing it already.
I just have to do it in a way that I wont cause damage to my self.
There is no harm in my supplemeting my routine with squats, even if I start with just body weight. Infact you'r right, I should be doing it already.
I just have to do it in a way that I wont cause damage to my self.
Caporegime
Squatting properly will do this. This is why we need to see a video!
Caporegime
@opeth: PLEASE go and look in the form discussion thread and look for some posts a few pages back from TheCenturion, he is a perfect example of someone who could not squat without SOMETHING giving way (his back for isntance) - After talking to people here and persevering, his squat is now getting much better.
Granted his situation is different to yours, but he still had limitations and he's still trying to push past them.
Just as an update this is what my lower and ab day looks like:
Step up's 2x10
SLDL 4x8
Lunges 2x12
Leg Press 3x10
Split Squats 3x10
Calf Raises 4x8
Crunches 3xamrap
Plank 3 sets
Dumbbell Side Bends 3x12
Flutterkick 3xamrap
Forget the fact there is no squats in there for the moment, how does that look?
I could easily lose say the step ups or split squats for squats.
It's not in that order tho, I go heavy on the leg press first, then split squats, lunges, step ups etc...
Step up's 2x10
SLDL 4x8
Lunges 2x12
Leg Press 3x10
Split Squats 3x10
Calf Raises 4x8
Crunches 3xamrap
Plank 3 sets
Dumbbell Side Bends 3x12
Flutterkick 3xamrap
Forget the fact there is no squats in there for the moment, how does that look?
I could easily lose say the step ups or split squats for squats.
It's not in that order tho, I go heavy on the leg press first, then split squats, lunges, step ups etc...
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Troll thread unless proved otherwise:
Everybody has access to a camera - smartphone, webcam, etc.
Suddenly a new poster comes along who supports OP's position
There's always a reason to not post a video.
Jesus wept, just do a bodyweight squat and post the video.
Seconding the icecold charging for advice.
Everybody has access to a camera - smartphone, webcam, etc.
Suddenly a new poster comes along who supports OP's position
There's always a reason to not post a video.
Jesus wept, just do a bodyweight squat and post the video.
Seconding the icecold charging for advice.
Can we try and keep this relevant, rather than littering the log with random posts please.
I seek advice not accusations.
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I/you need to be very carefull with me, Im the type of person that gives up when things arent perfect.
If I convinece my self that the fact I cant deadlift and squats (if it turns out I cant do it) then I may think well you know what theres no point me bothering at all with any of this and give up.
the point is there IS A point to all this and I can do other things and make progress.
If I convinece my self that the fact I cant deadlift and squats (if it turns out I cant do it) then I may think well you know what theres no point me bothering at all with any of this and give up.
the point is there IS A point to all this and I can do other things and make progress.
The point is you would have to pay for this level of advice normally - people aren't truly bothered whether you squat or not: whatever you do doesn't impact them. That way, you can be pretty sure that their advice comes from wanting to help you as they're doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.
People are happy that you are progressing, and are pleased that you have come so far, but their advice it seems, is falling on deaf ears. Look how many times a video has been asked for. You would get much more from a 30 sec video than 50 posts going around in circles.
Soldato
Wait, what? You/We have to be careful with you because you 'might' just pack it in?
At the end of the day, the people above are just trying to help. If you give up for whatever reason, it will be your loss, not theirs.
You can probably squat, you've just got it in to your head that you can't because your physio said so.
Hell I used to hurt myself all the time when squatting (vids are still in form thread) and believe that I couldnt do it, but thanks to the people here, my squats are coming along nicely.. (Well apart from when im constantly injuring myself ).
At the end of the day, the people above are just trying to help. If you give up for whatever reason, it will be your loss, not theirs.
You can probably squat, you've just got it in to your head that you can't because your physio said so.
Hell I used to hurt myself all the time when squatting (vids are still in form thread) and believe that I couldnt do it, but thanks to the people here, my squats are coming along nicely.. (Well apart from when im constantly injuring myself
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Looks fine, don't get discouraged brotha. Just keep working hard and eating right and results will keep coming.
On the squat front, sure, you've seen what I've had to say - I think you'll progress one way or the other - but it would be nice if you could squat. Maybe you should just post some video to see what icecold recommends. You have nothing to lose, and he just might have some valuable insights. At least worth a shot.
You're doing well, don't let a few comments throw your focus off track.
Caporegime
Do the split squats before the leg press, unless of course the split squats hurt without some kind of warmup to your knees.
Don't do crunches, if you want to do crunches do reverse crunches. Don't do side bends (well I wouldn't anyway, unless I'm wrong in suggesting not to here) Do something like the pallof press (with a cable machine or resistance band) or a landmine.
Sorry to clutter up the log opeth but no one has asked yet.
Bigpecspeter what is your lifting experience and your achievements? Nothing wrong with giving advice especially if it comes along with good experience, but when you seem to be trying to bait people in to a response, and offering advise on half the story, it's not clear that you have opeths best interests at heart.
our missing half of the opeth story though and he has been given advice for many many months now from many with a shown wealth of knowledge, experience and achievements. Every time advice has been asked for, it has been quite an exceptional task that opeth has failed to follow any of it, even seemingly going out of his way to avoid dping the advise, until eventually it cannot be avoided any more or it just clicks and progress is made.
The key reason we are asking for a squat video with supporting commentary is that it is become more apparent that opeths inability to squat is more based on a reluctance from self diagnosing problems far worse then he is possibly suffering. This is supported by the fact that squatting is quite often set as a rehab/strengthening exercise for knee health.
Bigpecspeter what is your lifting experience and your achievements? Nothing wrong with giving advice especially if it comes along with good experience, but when you seem to be trying to bait people in to a response, and offering advise on half the story, it's not clear that you have opeths best interests at heart.
our missing half of the opeth story though and he has been given advice for many many months now from many with a shown wealth of knowledge, experience and achievements. Every time advice has been asked for, it has been quite an exceptional task that opeth has failed to follow any of it, even seemingly going out of his way to avoid dping the advise, until eventually it cannot be avoided any more or it just clicks and progress is made.
The key reason we are asking for a squat video with supporting commentary is that it is become more apparent that opeths inability to squat is more based on a reluctance from self diagnosing problems far worse then he is possibly suffering. This is supported by the fact that squatting is quite often set as a rehab/strengthening exercise for knee health.
Caporegime
Well, I think the lack of cartilage in the knee is a diagnosis by a doctor in some fashion, no idea if that's via tests or anything though.
No one is disputing the missing cartilage, but no one has said that will stop the squatting, and many have cited that if the injury was as bad as opeth issuing out then he shouldn't be able to leg press, which then leads to the strong belief of so many that he can and will be able to squat, and that knee health can be improved.
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I'd first like to say that I am very impressed with the level of knowledge on these boards, and that the majority of the advice given to OP from what I've seen in this and related threads has been excellent. You're a good bunch, and I'm not easily impressed, especially with a lot of the absolute rubbish lurking around fitness websites. It's refreshing to see that there seems to be more decent knowledge here than on many wholly fitness oriented discussion forums!
As for me, I was a squad level competitive gymnast who had to quit at 16 due to a whinge-ury. Since then (the past 10 years) I've been bodybuilding and am an 'advanced' lifter. I coach people, but my main specialization/qualifications are on the nutritional side (optimizing performance, fat loss and the like).
I would like to say that I really do not wish to come across as trying to bait people. I don't intend that at all, and my motivations are more along the following lines:
From the posts he's made, I'm led strongly to believe that OP is, to put it in no uncertain terms, a quitter. He's the type, not uncommon in the training world, that will give up when fed with even the slightest doubts or discouragement. It seems that in recent times he's come across a training method that actually works for him. For him, that's a major breakthrough. It's also a really good thing and he seems quite motivated with his routine. If he is really THAT reluctant to squat, where's the good in making him feel as if his training is wildly deficient due to that reason alone? It just makes him feel rubbish about what he's doing, and is disheartening. At least he's doing something, and something that's getting him results. That's a whole world better than doing nothing.
Of course, the point that he is asking all these questions shows that he doesn't feel confident that what he is doing is good enough. He wants validation from you guys. This is probably a bit silly, as he must realise that he's not going to get validation for ideas he already knows popular opinion is at odds with. And yet, he still asks. Now, I'm not suggesting that anybody should give him validation. People should stand by what they believe in. That's important...
...BUT I think people should cut him some slack.
If he's not going to do something, then he's not going to do it. So I think it's better to at least be as encouraging as possible on what he is willing to do, particularly if he is finally finding that he's getting results and getting where he wants to be.
My apologies if anything I've said or done has been interpreted as baiting. I just like to view and consider things from as many perspectives as possible.
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