Our police force used to be the envy of the world ...
Never heard this before. Any examples?
Our police force used to be the envy of the world ...
This made headlines around the world and increased our police forces reputation around the globeNever heard this before. Any examples?
Wouldn't be surprised! A train driver starting wage, at least in London, is way above a firearm officer!Friend of a friend went from being a firearms officer to a train driver for exactly these reasons.
Iirc he makes more money as well.
I think you’re referring to a wider political and cultural issue in the west, not ‘mamby pamby’ officers, they’re damned if they do, damned if they don’t.Our law enforcement service is too soft, too full of weak, namby pampy leaders, hiring weak namby pamby officers thinking they're there to play mediator/social worker, constantly capitulating to ethnic groups because they might get called a hurty word if they actually uphold the law with them
There is absolutely zero chance I'd be a firearms officer, knowing that if I ever used it I'd likely get thrown under the bus and dragged through courts for years while people with no experience of policing/combat try to destroy my career/life.
Look what happened at Mcr Airport, and that was just a kick/stomp, but could have justifiably been a bullet - you can imagine the response that would have got.
Living in a different country for a while has opened my eyes as to how miserable the UK really is. I can't remember the last time something I care about got better there.
There was a time I was "proud" whatever that means, now I'd gladly never go back.
Where do you live now, out of curiosity?Living in a different country for a while has opened my eyes as to how miserable the UK really is. I can't remember the last time something I care about got better there.
There was a time I was "proud" whatever that means, now I'd gladly never go back.
It's getting harder to be proud of one's country when everything about it is getting dismantled in slow motion right in front of our eyes.There was a time I was "proud" whatever that means, now I'd gladly never go back.
And when some want to go back to the days when police corruption and beatings were "normal" and "deserved", not to mention the "falling down the stairs" and confessions from people held without access to a lawyer...It's getting harder to be proud of one's country when everything about it is getting dismantled in slow motion right in front of our eyes.
Tongue in cheek obviously..I'd much rather be with UK police today than 40 years ago when some people seem to think it was all rainbows and butterflies
I'm not a Police officer, but I am a firearms user for over 30 years (military & civilian) and to my mind "Tasers" have lost the original ethos/intent behind their use and now are seemed to be considered as "just another tool" like ASP/Baton, CS etc by your average Officer rather than being thought of (in training and deployment) as a "Less Lethal" weapon - not "non-lethal" but "Less like likely to kill compared to a firearm"
If you don't want to be held accountable for firearms, then please hand them in.
Are you suggesting that an ASP/baton is any more "less lethal" than a taser if misused?
No. My point is about mis-deployment rather than mis-use i.e. if used correctly an ASP/Baton is "non-lethal" whereas even if it is used 100% perfectly correctly, a Taser is still only classed as "less lethal", and therefore a taser is not "non-lethal" in anyway. That is the massive difference and why a taser deployment was original supposed to be treated just like a firearms deployment.
My complaint is the poor quality training leads to poor quality users which leads to poor deployments, so until its replaced by good quality training the chain of events will always lead to poor deployments of a less lethal weapon.
once you go down that route it’s a really quick route to American style policing isn’t it?You get told twice then you don't get told again.