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I fully expect Max to breeze past everyone on the Kemmel straight once DRS is enabled, and then drive off into the sunset (unless we get changing conditions or a technical issue).
 
dansew123 said:
What could Hamilton have done differently?

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According to FIA's own rules:

If a driver is on the inside of a corner overtaking on the inside, the guidance requires:

(1) The driver on the inside is to be substantially alongside the car on the outside as the driver arrives at the corner. It does NOT require the driver on the inside to be ahead.

(2) It then requires the driver to MAKE the corner. This means being able to go around the corner and not leave the track.

If these two things are satisfied then the corner is the driver’s on the inside, which means the driver on the inside does not have to back off. The other car has a duty to avoid hitting the driver on the inside.

In watching the analysis from the footage provided by Skypad, Hamilton satisfies these criteria. Checo had a good amount of track to his left to give the room to avoid contact but chose not to.

If anyone is at fault then it's Checo. He failed to give room in order to avoid the collision. However personal view, racing incident. nothing more. Leave it there.

Penalising Hamilton in this instance is incorrect & shows either the FIA stewards are showing a bias or are so incompetent that they don't know their own rules.

Hamilton and Mercedes would be justified in appealing this decision, citing the above rules.
 
Resident said:
According to FIA's own rules:

If a driver is on the inside of a corner overtaking on the inside, the guidance requires:

(1) The driver on the inside is to be substantially alongside the car on the outside as the driver arrives at the corner. It does NOT require the driver on the inside to be ahead.

(2) It then requires the driver to MAKE the corner. This means being able to go around the corner and not leave the track.

If these two things are satisfied then the corner is the driver’s on the inside, which means the driver on the inside does not have to back off. The other car has a duty to avoid hitting the driver on the inside.

In watching the analysis from the footage provided by Skypad, Hamilton satisfies these criteria. Checo had a good amount of track to his left to give the room to avoid contact but chose not to.

If anyone is at fault then it's Checo. He failed to give room in order to avoid the collision. However personal view, racing incident. nothing more. Leave it there.

Penalising Hamilton in this instance is incorrect & shows either the FIA stewards are showing a bias or are so incompetent that they don't know their own rules.

Hamilton and Mercedes would be justified in appealing this decision, citing the above rules.
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This. It was nothing more than a racing incident. Perez had acres of space. Also, it's a wet track. There was clearly no attempt by Lewis to force Perez off the track or crash into him.

I fear decisions like this will just make it so no one attempts anything, especially in the wet.
 
Stumble Bum said:
Here's where the contact was made, yet you expect Perez (who is ahead) to move over even further or back out hahaha.
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Yes. If he's not going to give more space or back out then he should be prepared for a possible collision. Which is what happened. There was a country mile to Perez's left, as your screenshot so aptly shows. Had he opened his steering ever so slightly there wouldn't have been a collision. Whereas Hamilton literally could not do anything else, and didn't need to, because he left enough room for both of them to get round the corner within the limits of the track.
Resident said:
Hamilton and Mercedes would be justified in appealing this decision, citing the above rules.
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I really thought they would have. But you know, bigger fish to fry and all that, I guess.
 
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Resident said:
According to FIA's own rules:

If a driver is on the inside of a corner overtaking on the inside, the guidance requires:

(1) The driver on the inside is to be substantially alongside the car on the outside as the driver arrives at the corner. It does NOT require the driver on the inside to be ahead.

(2) It then requires the driver to MAKE the corner. This means being able to go around the corner and not leave the track.

If these two things are satisfied then the corner is the driver’s on the inside, which means the driver on the inside does not have to back off. The other car has a duty to avoid hitting the driver on the inside.

In watching the analysis from the footage provided by Skypad, Hamilton satisfies these criteria. Checo had a good amount of track to his left to give the room to avoid contact but chose not to.

If anyone is at fault then it's Checo. He failed to give room in order to avoid the collision. However personal view, racing incident. nothing more. Leave it there.

Penalising Hamilton in this instance is incorrect & shows either the FIA stewards are showing a bias or are so incompetent that they don't know their own rules.

Hamilton and Mercedes would be justified in appealing this decision, citing the above rules.
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Stop talking sense and having objective view point. @Stumble Bum doesn’t like it.
 
Jono8 said:
That penalty for Lewis was total and utter *******

After all the extremely dangerous **** Max pulled at the end of 2021, Lewis gets a penalty for THAT.

Ridiculous
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Haven't the rules change since though? Anyway it's interesting that Lewis seems to be the main constant between RB and Merc car contacts I can barely think of Max or Checo having contact with Valteri or George. Only Bottas in Hungary and George in Baku spring to mind.

Pleased for Piastri, thought he was going to be a flop but I'm starting to like him more and more, always had a soft spot for Aussie drivers. :)
 
Scam said:
Yes. If he's not going to give more space or back out then he should be prepared for a possible collision. Which is what happened. There was a country mile to Perez's left, as your screenshot so aptly shows. Had he opened his steering ever so slightly there wouldn't have been a collision. Whereas Hamilton literally could not do anything else, and didn't need to, because he left enough room for both of them to get round the corner within the limits of the track.

I really thought they would have. But you know, bigger fish to fry and all that, I guess.
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Perez left plenty of space. Hamilton drove into Perez not the other way round. It really is very simple. Hamilton made a mistake. Accept it.
 
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