Well Bottas isn't in a Merc anymore to play skittles with Norris & Verstappen like he did back in 2021 but someone could!
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Poll: Official 2023 Hungarian Grand Prix Thread - Hungaroring, Budapest - Round 12
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Well Bottas isn't in a Merc anymore to play skittles with Norris & Verstappen like he did back in 2021 but someone could!
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Does F1 have a limit on fuel used in qualy?Interesting..
F1 qualifying change confirmed for Hungary
Will the change be accepted for next season after its trial?racingnews365.com
Q1 everyone will just do 5/6 laps to get those yards warmed up
Seems like unnecessary tinkering.Interesting..
F1 qualifying change confirmed for Hungary
Will the change be accepted for next season after its trial?
Wonder which tyre the top 10 start on then? Assume they’ll all start on the same tyre.
I wonder if its the teams choice?
Cant find any story that confirms how the race starts.
Apparently its for environmental reasons -
Caporegime
I think it'll make quali much more interesting when it happens, but since it looks like a wet quali I'm not sure it'll actually happen.
Maybe don't make the tyres out of paper? They can still mandate 2 compounds, but giving the teams a tyre that doesn't fall off the cliff after 3 laps would go a long way to help the racing and how many tyres they use over a weekend.
Just me that thinks they should be able to use whatever tyre they want pretty much? Qualifying is about putting together the absolute fastest lap in the current conditions, I find it terribly confusing throughout quali when someone does a lap 1sec faster than everyone else, then we have to understand a 10min discussion about what tyres they were using and what tyres the rest of the field are currently on, and so-and-so has this tyre left etc.
They should. I mean if you didn't make Q3 it's because you're slower, or Perez, so being on the medium in P14 is not going to get you up to P2 because the front guys are on softs.
Caporegime
It is, but the 3-stage setup dilutes that anyway.
But the new rules make that less of a thing
Under the new rules, they all start Q1 on new Hards, in Q2 they all start on new Mediums, and in Q3 they all start on new Softs. The variation of managing different sets of tyres is gone.
Fair enough. Not going to help Merc and other cars that don't fire up the hard tyres quickly though
Caporegime
Fair enough. Not going to help Merc and other cars that don't fire up the hard tyres quickly though
To me, that's another bonus - not Merc specifically, but the variation in the performance difference cars/drivers can get out of the different tyres should be more marked. It's a moving challenge instead of three lots of the same.
I've never been the biggest fan of the current knockout format, too often Q1 and Q2 feel pointless for the faster cars (except for Pérez
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Massively so and i'm struggling to see what racing positives there is in this, as surely it will only widen the gap between teams by keeping the slower/poorer teams firmly at the back of the grid creating stagnant race lineups.
Seems daft to me and hopefully it'll canned sharpish.
Caporegime
Why do you expect that to be the result? I expect the opposite.
Soldato
It removes a variable from quali that at the moment means a team can throw on softs during the early stages of quali and potentially get themselves up the grid albeit at the risk of race strategy.
Caporegime
But in most qualifying sessions, every team runs fresh softs in Q1 anyway, and has the option of putting them on if they're struggling. If anything, the requirement for the lower teams to run multiple sets of fresh softs to stand a chance of getting through counts against them and leaves them fewer options in the race. It's not as bad as the era when they made them run the tyres they used in Q2 in the race, but I think it still counts against lower teams.
A special quali allocation of tyres means that the teams are on a more equal footing.
Soldato
But it will exaggerate other variables and differences, ie - PU/aero etc whilst simplifying race strategy.
Top tier teams will still breeze through Q1 on hards but lower tier teams that haven't got that aero or PU package advantage, or top (type) tier teams that struggle on harder compounds, will now have an option to put themselves further forward (using softer compounds in the early stages) removed.
Maybe i'm wrong but i can't see this doing anything other than causing stagnation in grid lineups.
Soldato
There's no need to mess around with the format we have currently.
They can keep tinkering with it, but eventually it'll just be easier to give quali a miss. Maybe in the future Q1 can be decided in a bingo hall, Q2 with a dance-off, and for Q3 they're finally allowed to drive round the track but only on used inters.
They can keep tinkering with it, but eventually it'll just be easier to give quali a miss. Maybe in the future Q1 can be decided in a bingo hall, Q2 with a dance-off, and for Q3 they're finally allowed to drive round the track but only on used inters.
Yes I would prefer this. I also preferred the sport before the cost cap. I think in the pursuit of ultimate speed and performance (which is what F1 was and what a single qualifying lap is) that there shouldn't be so many restrictions. Obviously there need to be rules, just not as strict in all areas.
The cost cap has always frustrated me. On one hand I understand why they did it but the reality is the "little teams" still don't spend all their budget and it's just stopped the exponential rate of upgrades from the larger teams. I enjoyed the constant aggressive evolutions of the cars, I like the engineering behind F1.
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