Poll: Official 2023 Hungarian Grand Prix Thread - Hungaroring, Budapest - Round 12

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Riciardo doesn’t seem to be any better, apart from that who knows, I’m sure normal service will resume tomorrow.
Although I honestly don’t know why anyone gives a xxxx really.

Still indycar this weekend I believe.
 
The Perez situation is weird. Having the best car on the grid you should at least be on the podium every race... But for whatever reason he's fumbling big time. From RB's point of view:

* Max is winning both titles on his own right now so they don't really have to change anything.
* Max is winning both titles on his own right now so they are free to swap Perez and give someone else have a season to get settled for next year...

If anything Perez is being more of a liability right now as his crash meant their floor was shown off some more earlier. :D
 
KiNgPiN83 said:
The Perez situation is weird. Having the best car on the grid you should at least be on the podium every race... But for whatever reason he's fumbling big time. From RB's point of view:

* Max is winning both titles on his own right now so they don't really have to change anything.
* Max is winning both titles on his own right now so they are free to swap Perez and give someone else have a season to get settled for next year...

If anything Perez is being more of a liability right now as his crash meant their floor was shown off some more earlier. :D
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It's not going to be next year given Perez's contract, unless they have specific performance or other clauses.
 
englishpremier said:
Lol this old nonsense again. Yes, they are no different from any other contract in life. Just a legal document to set out how the two parties wish to proceed.
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If red bull want rid of Perez they will get rid of him. Whether that means buying him out of the contract or paying him whilst he does something else, he'll be gone Contract or not
 
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I also wouldn't be surprised if there was you can be sent to Alpha Tauri if your performance is terrible clause.
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I’m sure every team has an out clause. I feel like RB are assessing RIC at AT - if he fails then they’ll probably get a fresh junior driver.
 
KiNgPiN83 said:
The Perez situation is weird. Having the best car on the grid you should at least be on the podium every race... But for whatever reason he's fumbling big time. From RB's point of view:

* Max is winning both titles on his own right now so they don't really have to change anything.
* Max is winning both titles on his own right now so they are free to swap Perez and give someone else have a season to get settled for next year...

If anything Perez is being more of a liability right now as his crash meant their floor was shown off some more earlier. :D
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It is, I feel, some in part due to the teams strategy but most are due to very uncharacteristic errors that he did not exhibit in his previous car, hence why many argued he was one of the best drivers for the seat, including some in this forum.

The RB car perhaps is the main reason as many good driver have had this seat based upon their driving abilities, but then it all seems to go to pot once in the car. Look at Alex, look at Gasly, they all tended to struggle in the RB with occasional good drives Max, it seems, can cope with it and able to wring out the best of the car, perhaps showing how much of a skilled and talented driver he actually is.

A driver of Perez's obvious ability just doesn't go from the level he was at, before RB, to looking like a granny is driving the car. The other strange thing is that in race trim he seems to be able to cope with it better.
 
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The other strange thing is that in race trim he seems to be able to cope with it better.
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Heavier fuel load making it less twitchy maybe? Dunno, people always say “race trim” but honestly I have no idea what they change as far as aero etc.

Thinking out loud, I wonder if Max is benefitting from these regs as much as Newey is. He likes a twitchy, oversteering car right? I seem to recall most drivers having a lot of issues in the first half of the 2022 season given the way the ground effect works in the car.
 
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A driver of Perez's obvious ability just doesn't go from the level he was at, before RB, to looking like a granny is driving the car. The other strange thing is that in race trim he seems to be able to cope with it better.
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Pérez has always been the midfieldest of midfielders. I think he struggles on the limit, we see how poor he is any time it rains when he just doesn't have the ability to push hard. In quali, that inability to take it right to the edge matters a lot; in the race, there's more margin and the superiority of that Red Bull comes out. I suspect, as well, that the RB is a fairly twitchy car which makes it fast in the right hands but very difficult for a driver like Pérez to get the best out of and it's not like Newey is going to listen to what Pérez wants and change the car to suit him.

Edit: Should have also mentioned that Pérez has long been good at tyre management, that plays out over a race distance but isn't relevant to quali.

I also think he's lost it mentally going up against a driver so much better that him. I suspect he's spent his career telling himself that if he just got the right car he'd be right up there. He's done decently against most of his teammates, after all. And now the stark gulf of talent between him and Max has been made clear, he's pushing himself harder and harder to try and get there and going beyond the limits of his talent as a result.

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Dunno, people always say “race trim” but honestly I have no idea what they change as far as aero etc.
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It's a misnomer these days, pretty much. The only thing they can change is the angle of the front wing. I remember when they had a different engine to put in for quali but those days are long gone and the cars are basically the same for race and quali.
 
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Mr Jack said:
Pérez has always been the midfieldest of midfielders. I think he struggles on the limit, we see how poor he is any time it rains when he just doesn't have the ability to push hard. In quali, that inability to take it right to the edge matters a lot; in the race, there's more margin and the superiority of that Red Bull comes out. I suspect, as well, that the RB is a fairly twitchy car which makes it fast in the right hands but very difficult for a driver like Pérez to get the best out of and it's not like Newey is going to listen to what Pérez wants and change the car to suit him.

Edit: Should have also mentioned that Pérez has long been good at tyre management, that plays out over a race distance but isn't relevant to quali.

I also think he's lost it mentally going up against a driver so much better that him. I suspect he's spent his career telling himself that if he just got the right car he'd be right up there. He's done decently against most of his teammates, after all. And now the stark gulf of talent between him and Max has been made clear, he's pushing himself harder and harder to try and get there and going beyond the limits of his talent as a result.



It's a misnomer these days, pretty much. The only thing they can change is the angle of the front wing. I remember when they had a different engine to put in for quali but those days are long gone and the cars are basically the same for race and quali.
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I didn't state he was a top league driver along the same abilities as Lewis so I basically agree with what you're stating, however, along with Alex and Gasly he demonstrated a ability to be in a red bull, and some were baying out for him, especially in here, to have that drive.
Race trim equates to full fuel levels which is why they try and trim the front wing of the car to compensate however you can either setup a car for either qualifying or for the face. A car fast over one lap won't necessarily be fast over a race. If it's the case he's lost it to a better driver then that shows the strength of Max.
 
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