Poll: Official 2023 Hungarian Grand Prix Thread - Hungaroring, Budapest - Round 12

Rate the Hungarian race out of ten

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Mad_Jay said:
Apparent driver contract lengths are listed here, updated with the inclusion of Danny Ricc

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F1 driver contracts: How long are the current deals for every driver on the 2023 grid?

How long are Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton set to drive for their teams? Here's the length of all the current F1 driver contracts.
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Max Verstappen – end 2028

Sergio Perez – end 2024

Lewis Hamilton – end 2023

George Russell – end 2023

Charles Leclerc – end 2024

Carlos Sainz – end 2024

Lando Norris – end 2025

Oscar Piastri – end 2024

Fernando Alonso – end 2024

Lance Stroll – unknown

Pierre Gasly – end 2024

Esteban Ocon – end 2024

Valtteri Bottas – end 2025

Zhou Guanyu – end 2023

Daniel Ricciardo – end 2023

Yuki Tsunoda – end 2023

Alex Albon – end 2023

Logan Sargeant – end 2023

Kevin Magnussen – end 2023

Nico Hulkenberg – end 2024

I remember Norris signing a 'long term contract' with no major details, but this says end of 2025.
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Russell's contract is for longer than just to the end of 2023 as well,
 
chrismscotland said:
I don't think RBR give two stuffs about being popular if they keep winning, and if they think someone blander and more boring (than Ricciardo) is available that would be better than Perez they would hire them.
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RBR might not but Red Bull GmbH may question whether the investment is worth the return if overall F1 revenue keeps declining, though likely this would affect Alpha Tauri rather than RBR.
 
imtoooldforthis said:
He can grin all he wants. He will get schooled by Verstappen as well, just like he was prior to joining Renault.
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Ricciardo beat Verstappen in '16 and '17, and was only beaten so solidly in '18 because of some shocking reliability problems. I'm not sure how that counts as "schooled". That said, Max is a much better driver than he was in '18 so I don't think there's much danger of Ricci beating him, but he should be much closer than Pérez, Gasly, and Albon - and I'd expect him to have the odd good race where he outqualifies and outraces Max just as Bottas and Rosberg managed against Lewis.

Assuming that he can recover the quality that he had back in those days anyway.
 
I lost my straw to the Danny Ric 'Kool-Aid' cup when he left RB and joined Alpine. As soon as he left RB he was unable to do those super late lunges he was famous for in the red bull. I think Nico Hulk said something about "once he's in a car like us that can't stop on the spot" or something to that effect and he was true.

Brilliant character but I just don't think he's top tier material.
 
Junglist said:
I lost my straw to the Danny Ric 'Kool-Aid' cup when he left RB and joined Alpine. As soon as he left RB he was unable to do those super late lunges he was famous for in the red bull. I think Nico Hulk said something about "once he's in a car like us that can't stop on the spot" or something to that effect and he was true.

Brilliant character but I just don't think he's top tier material.
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As you say, great guy but not top, top tier - he's more of a Webber, Coulthard or Barrichello type in my view
 
bayo000 said:
RBR might not but Red Bull GmbH may question whether the investment is worth the return if overall F1 revenue keeps declining, though likely this would affect Alpha Tauri rather than RBR.
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They make a profit from F1 so all is good. The Vettel years didn't affect them neither will the Max years. The investment is less than they'd pay for exposure otherwise.

Junglist said:
I lost my straw to the Danny Ric 'Kool-Aid' cup when he left RB and joined Alpine. As soon as he left RB he was unable to do those super late lunges he was famous for in the red bull. I think Nico Hulk said something about "once he's in a car like us that can't stop on the spot" or something to that effect and he was true.

Brilliant character but I just don't think he's top tier material.
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His performance at Alpine wasn't bad at all. Again beat his teammate and was generally faster. It was a poor car as you know. It does seem though, like Kimi he's not the most adaptable driver. Certainly not a Max, Lewis, or Alonso.
 
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Mr Jack said:
Ricciardo beat Verstappen in '16 and '17, and was only beaten so solidly in '18 because of some shocking reliability problems. I'm not sure how that counts as "schooled". That said, Max is a much better driver than he was in '18 so I don't think there's much danger of Ricci beating him, but he should be much closer than Pérez, Gasly, and Albon - and I'd expect him to have the odd good race where he outqualifies and outraces Max just as Bottas and Rosberg managed against Lewis.

Assuming that he can recover the quality that he had back in those days anyway.
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Verstappen had him fully in his pocket by the end of his final season, why do you think Ricciardo left for Renault ? It was clear by then that Max was levels above and he's improved since then.

Watching Ric struggle in the rain at Brazil in 2018 whilst Max at times drove 2-3 seconds a lap quicker was embarrassing. He's always been overrated because of his personality and that one season against an unmotivated Vettel.

Probs do better than Perez in the Red Bull but that's not saying much. F1 is full of mid-tier drivers (relatively speaking) imo, it's why there is often so much disparity between teammates. We should have entire grids of Verstappen, Hamilton and Alonso level talent but because the talent pool is so comically small we end up with people who are at times multiple levels below the best drivers.
 
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englishpremier said:
His performance at Alpine wasn't bad at all. Again beat his teammate and was generally faster. It was a poor car as you know. It does seem though, like Kimi he's not the most adaptable driver. Certainly not a Max, Lewis, or Alonso.
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It wasn't awful but it also wasn't anything to write home about. Then his time at Mclaren wasn't fantastic either. Sure, he got a win there but I'd argue Lando was the better driver during their time and considering he is a less experienced driver.
 
Junglist said:
It wasn't awful but it also wasn't anything to write home about.
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I disagree, he beat Hülkenburg 54-37 - a 45% margin; the largest margin over Hülk since his Rookie season, and enough to dump him out of F1 - and thrashed Ocon 119-62 taking his Renault ahead of the better McLaren in the process. Pérez got the plaudits for being best of the rest that season, but IMO DR's performance in that mediocre Renault was much more impressive.

Then his time at Mclaren wasn't fantastic either. Sure, he got a win there but I'd argue Lando was the better driver during their time and considering he is a less experienced driver.
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His time at McLaren was dismal. '21 was bad, '22 was a disaster. I'm pretty surprised that didn't end his career right there, tbh. Even with the win, Lando was faster in that race and told to hold position.
 
Yep, all were really preserving their tyres for tomorrow. Lando stated if it hadn't have rained in fp1 then there wouldn't have been many cars on track. Totally going in the wrong direction for the fans..
 
Mad_Jay said:
Did anyone actually listen to this? Considering Sky F1 have 'protected' all the tweets regarding F1 Juniors so nobody can reply, I can only imagine it didn't go too well :o
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Whether or not it went well, there are bound to be howling bottom speakers posting all sort of scummy comments. It'd be frankly irresponsible of Sky to allow comments; they have a duty of care to these young people.
 
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