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A lot more people will have heard of the Alpine brand at all. That must be worth something?
They seem to be a team with a lot of internal dysfunction to work through. Maybe the new setup can take them forward.
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A lot more people will have heard of the Alpine brand at all. That must be worth something?
They seem to be a team with a lot of internal dysfunction to work through. Maybe the new setup can take them forward.
I certainly wouldn't support them if I was new. It's only out of "loyalty" as it was first team I supported long ago.
Uninspiring drivers, a terrible management structure, come across as totally cold/corporate machine.
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He did do just that in a previous interview a couple of weeks ago
That was the point of my original post.
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He did do just that in a previous interview a couple of weeks ago
So if Hamilton won 10 races in a row setting a new record, Toto would turn around and say it's irrelevant?
Where did you get the rose tinted glasses from?
Toto has been nothing but bitter towards Red Bull since their dominance. Open your eyes.
Giving a little bit of benefit of the doubt to Toto, his first answer (I think) where he commented on it was in response to Ted not even really asking a question, just saying "Max has won 10 in a row, not even your guys in their peak ever did that, I think the team did at one point but anyway you've got to take your hat off" - it was unlikely this was going to prompt a particularly positive response from a rival straight after the race
Bro if everyone pointed out every little comment Horner and co made towards Mercedes and Hamilton over the years we'd have to open a whole new sub-forum. What are you expecting people to say here?
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Giving a little bit of benefit of the doubt to Toto, his first answer (I think) where he commented on it was in response to Ted not even really asking a question, just saying "Max has won 10 in a row, not even your guys in their peak ever did that, I think the team did at one point but anyway you've got to take your hat off" - it was unlikely this was going to prompt a particularly positive response from a rival straight after the race
A lot of these comments are farmed in this way. It's fishing for controversy. Toto also said that winning all the races in a season would be a very impressive achievement, something that they didn't manage even in their best season.
I think it was a salty response from Toto, but I think it's all being rather overplayed.
You have done that, for years.
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TBH couple of years ago this forum wasn't far off that, there's a reason why there's this bit is in the OP these days. I'm no RB fan (though as Webber and Ricciardo fan I have bit of a soft spot for them) and I avoided this sub forum due to all lthe name calling towards them.
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Sigh, again, Toto said he doesn’t care about stats when asked about Merc’s past dominance. This was at the Dutch race on Sky TV when being interviews. I never mentioned Hamilton winning 10 races
The question was about stats and records, which Toto has said they don't mean much to him, hence his comments when asked about Redbull and the previous week about Mercs as well.
For what its worth I quite like listening to Christian Horner outside of the F1 weekend, he comes across really well and I admire his path to becoming a team principle. I really do and I am sure I have said similar things a few times in race weekend threads.
So no rose-tinted spectacles here thank you, a merc fan yes, a Norris fan yes and outside of F1 weekends a Horner fan as well. I think you know what my answer would be about Max
2021 was pretty ridiculous on both sides, to be fair.
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Yes, because people can't read forums without being a member or go back to old threads once joined. Let's be honest, it doesn't take long for anyone to figure out the type of person/poster you are.
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We're not discussing Horner as he hasn't made any comments, using whataboutism is just deflecting away from how salty Toto has become especially a lot of his comments in the last week or two. He struggles to give Red Bull credit for much and I find it a little sad really, I've seen a lot of articles and posts on social media calling him out for it and rightly so.
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Who cares if it was salty? Its a competitive sport ffs, we need more salt, tons of it. Bitter rivalries make sport interesting. The last thing you want in a sport as relentlessly dull as F1 is everyone being all matey and nice to each other.
Get the daggers out and get shanking.
Get the daggers out and get shanking.
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Let's not pretend they aren't all at it - earlier in the weekend Max was commenting that he's not interested in winning 7, 8 or 9 titles because once you've done it once, it's always the same thing.
So Max dismissed the significance of winning multiple titles and no one bats an eyelid but Mercedes dismiss the significance of winning the most races in a row a couple of days later and half the fanbase are crying about it.
So Max dismissed the significance of winning multiple titles and no one bats an eyelid but Mercedes dismiss the significance of winning the most races in a row a couple of days later and half the fanbase are crying about it.
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If Max had said winning 7 titles is just for people who use wikipedia or an irrelevant stat he'd be getting the same grief.
People are failing to see the distinction between someone not caring about their own records, i.e. No. of titles, No. of race wins in a row etc, compared to belittling the achievements of others. No-one cares if Toto or Max don't care about their own records but when you keep making snarky comments about what others are achieving then they will rightfully be called out for it.
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FIA confirm no Formula 1 budget cap breaches for 2022
The FIA have confirmed they found no breaches of Formula 1s £108million cost cap limit by any of the 10 teams on the grid during the 2022 season; Red Bull and Aston Martin were both punished for offences last year relating to the 2021 season
I bet Wolff is gutted that RB did everything right...
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As a F1 fan, that is fantastic news for everyone involved in F1. Hate to see results altered after races, and/or teams getting penalised for things outside of racing even if they are deserved.FIA confirm no Formula 1 budget cap breaches for 2022
The FIA have confirmed they found no breaches of Formula 1s £108million cost cap limit by any of the 10 teams on the grid during the 2022 season; Red Bull and Aston Martin were both punished for offences last year relating to the 2021 seasonwww.skysports.com
I bet Wolff is gutted that RB did everything right...
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How is he belittling the achievement of others? He didn't say Verstappen's record isn't important, he said it's not important for him. Which only echo's his comments from the other week that he doesn't care about Mercs stats either.
F1 is a relentless sport that looks forward with performance judged on how you did today. In some ways it's quite binary in that you're either winning or you're not. It doesn't matter if you won last week, last month, last year or how many you've won if you can't win tomorrow. Ferrari have won 15 championships and Wililams 9 - do you think owners, investors, team principles, fans, sponsors etc. care more about those past championships or that they aren't winning them today?
I struggle to understand exactly why RB and their fans are still so obsessed with Mercedes. Toto has every right to comment on the championship leaders, they're currently number one. Even Horner said you're the target when you're on the top step all the time. Yet you look at any socials and as soon as Hamilton's name is mentioned it just turns into a **** show of insults. Now that is a deep lack of respect that RB have manufactured over the last few years. People talk about Verstappen as if he's Hamilton's equal, yet we're going to need 5 more years at least before they realistically should be uttered in the same breath. RB fans still turn every story into a Mercedes one. They bring it on themselves.
You talk about giving credit, in most sane F1 minds Verstappen and RB have got a great car, yes. But they've stolen one trophy (2021), as admitted by the FIA themselves ("human error") and broke the cost cap going into the new regs of 2022 which in most people's minds is tantamount to straight-up cheating (not my words, see Zak Brown's open letter) so here we are at 2023 where perhaps, just perhaps they might win their first championship without an asterix next to it. Yet all along, RB fans are doing their best to **** all over Hamilton's record, insult him on the socials, and generally be absolutely the worst sore winners I've ever seen. There was a great article ages ago that Horner is happy to complain everyone hates them, yet it's all of their own doing. There were a million ways to handle 2021, they picked (due to their nature) the absolute worst. Head down, deny all responsibility, act like you were in the right and **** everyone else. It was awful. And awful for the sport. I'm amazed they re-employed Ricciardo after his on-track reaction after the last lap "Whatever just happened, that was ****ed up" because he said it absolutely right.
Perfect example below.. take any story. Just wait for RB fans to start gloating over Mercedes. Oh here we go...
Anyway, before the mods step in. We digress massively. I now have to go to a 1.5hr HR seminar. Absolute joyFIA confirm no Formula 1 budget cap breaches for 2022
The FIA have confirmed they found no breaches of Formula 1s £108million cost cap limit by any of the 10 teams on the grid during the 2022 season; Red Bull and Aston Martin were both punished for offences last year relating to the 2021 season
I bet Wolff is gutted that RB did everything right...
