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That reminds me a lot of the tyre war eras of Goodyear v Bridgestone/Bridgestone v Michelin.
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Well shuffling the order a bit isn't a bad thing but it doesn't really make sense that front runner would go from P1 to out of any points from one track to another. Maybe if the RBs, Mercs, Ferrari and Mclaren's were all shuffling around P1-8 (I'm nicely including Perez here) that would make a bit more sense. I dunno, it just seems very random. But since the top 7 were separated by 0.2secs in quali (I think?) maybe it just had an exaggerated effect on the underperforming Ferraris.
After Perez's slight 'hickup' in Monaco, wasn't it banded about that any future incidents would jeopardise RBs ability to produce upgrades later in the season?
Surely the cost of having to replace components AND a team fine will have an impact on RB in the long run?
Surely the cost of having to replace components AND a team fine will have an impact on RB in the long run?
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It was only a rear wing. Can't see it having any dramatic impact.
I don't think fines come out of the cost cap allowance.
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Driver, in exchange for that F1 Driver providing the services of an F1 Driver to or for
the benefit of the F1 Team, together with all travel and accommodation costs in
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Person, in each case in exchange for that Excluded Person providing services to or for
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Personnel relates to Heritage Asset Activities, that portion of those costs,
together with associated employer’s social security contributions;
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Championship;
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security contributions, the amount by which such mandatory contributions exceed
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by Personnel;
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development, testing and validation of an Alternative Fuel and Oil for use with the
Power Unit in F1 Cars of the F1 Team;
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employees of all Reporting Group Entities on a substantially equal basis, subject to a
maximum amount of US Dollars 1,000,000, adjusted (if applicable) for Indexation;
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paternity leave, shared parental leave or adoption leave (together with associated
employer’s social security contributions) in each case pursuant to a bona fide formal
written policy that applies substantially equally to all employees of all Reporting Group
Entities;
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contributions) provided to an individual (excluding existing Personnel) engaged as
cover for an employee on sick leave during the period that the relevant employee is
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have been provided to the relevant employee over the same period were that
employee not on sick leave; plus (ii) the employer’s social security contributions
associated with that Consideration. For the avoidance of doubt, an individual engaged
to replace an employee whose costs of Consideration have been excluded pursuant
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contributions) that an F1 Team demonstrates to the reasonable satisfaction of the
Cost Cap Administration have been provided to an employee that has been formally
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to the extent provided during the relevant employee’s period of absence;
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December 2021 and 31 December 2022; and
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a maximum aggregate amount of US Dollars 6,000,000, adjusted (if applicable) for
Indexation.
3.2 If a cost within Total Costs of the Reporting Group is Directly Attributable to any combination
of the following activities:
(a) Marketing Activities;
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(c) Non-F1 Activities;
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Presentation Currency at the Initial Applicable Rate.I can't see it listed there unless it is under legal terminology.
Granted its only a wing from what we could see but who knows what further damage could be hiding.
It may not have a big impact in the short term but if the continues this trajectory, it all adds up.
A better race due to rain. Nice to see the teams have definitely made progress on catching the Redbull but it was obvious some people had completely jumped the gun just because of Monaco! The Redbull is still ahead. The upcoming tracks will see normal service resume I feel. However, given that I thought it would take until next season to have competitive races against Redbull as the end of this regs period comes closer, it's healthy to see the gap has definitely closed a bit more. I think however, it is a combination of conditions and track suiting others right now, rather than Redbull being a bit off their game.
I haven't had time to read the whole thread, but why do we think the Ferrari boys were so far back this time? I know their strategy was sub optimal and quali they could have utilized tyres better, but the fundamental speed was not there which was interesting. I guess the Ferrari works differently, which is interesting.
I haven't had time to read the whole thread, but why do we think the Ferrari boys were so far back this time? I know their strategy was sub optimal and quali they could have utilized tyres better, but the fundamental speed was not there which was interesting. I guess the Ferrari works differently, which is interesting.
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Made a bad call in qualifying which put them in the middle of the pack. Very hard to do much with only one dry line.
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I think it'll be little more than a new rear wing assembly needed, so not too costly.
They’ll whip it out of the catering budget.
Perez: "I've damaged my rear wing"
Race engineer: "Received. Try to get back to the pits." Sally... can you add more wings to the catering budget please? Exclude the word chicken so we're legit>
They can just upgrade Max's car - give Perez 2nd hand parts.
I bet his new 2 year contract has a demotion clause in it. Would love to see Lawson get a shot.
Redbull will probably start caring when they can't bring home the constructors. As it stands, the next 3 teams don't seem to have one that is necessarily the more dominant currently, so more of the points are shared among them, which helps mitigate the lack of Perez points.
Well that puts Max on 0 too as he has been driving the Newey rocket ship which has given him the 22 and 23 and soon to be 24 titles. And like Lewis his team had employed a wingman who is at best bang average.I guess that puts Lewis on 0 then given the car advantage - barely sees a podium these days
The same argument can be thrown both ways. I do see a lot of negative posts by you towards Lewis. End of the day both Lewis and Max are great talents and deserve their respective titles. Sure Massi helped Max win 21 but Max deserved that title as he was in beast mode in 21.
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Excuse me but Nico Rosberg beat Lewis Hamilton in equal machinery in 2016.
100% agree - If you're lucky enough to have the right car at the right time then it's down to consistency. George vs Lewis is a good example where I think George is right up there with Lewis, but he's extremely inconsistent.
Max, Lewis and Alonso have proven that they can win a title. Norris, Charles and George have the potential and we'll hopefully see them up there at some point.
Why has Perez dropped off a cliff at a similar time in the season as the last one? He started 23 really strong and then his form just collapsed. He started this season reasonably as well, but then in the last two races it's like he's forgotten how to drive.
I know pretty much all drivers go through good form/bad form periods. I mean Lewis isn't having a good first 3rd of this season after comprehensively beating George last season. However, he's still mostly finishing just behind George and still very close in points (like its still possible Lewis could be ahead in points with.a couple of good races)
Perez however seems to go to pieces, and Max now has nearly doubled the amount of points! Pretty much no chance of him getting close to Max in the standings now.
It makes it so hard to work out just how good the Red Bull is/how good Max is. Not saying Max isn't great, but either Perez is massively crap and the car is good, or maybe the car isn't as good as thought and Max is exceptional.
Until RB put a good driver in their second car I'm not sure we are ever going to know.
I know pretty much all drivers go through good form/bad form periods. I mean Lewis isn't having a good first 3rd of this season after comprehensively beating George last season. However, he's still mostly finishing just behind George and still very close in points (like its still possible Lewis could be ahead in points with.a couple of good races)
Perez however seems to go to pieces, and Max now has nearly doubled the amount of points! Pretty much no chance of him getting close to Max in the standings now.
It makes it so hard to work out just how good the Red Bull is/how good Max is. Not saying Max isn't great, but either Perez is massively crap and the car is good, or maybe the car isn't as good as thought and Max is exceptional.
Until RB put a good driver in their second car I'm not sure we are ever going to know.
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It feels like a Danny Ric situation.
They made quite a large change to the car this year, which potentially changed how the car drives; maybe Perez isn't able to adapt.
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Monaco and Canada are circuits that do not suit the Red Bull at all, maybe Max is just able to deal with it better...
I hate to go down the AD21 rabbit hole, but I also hate people rewriting history. Massi didn't help Max win '21, he made neglected to follow the rules/laws of the race and thus completely gifted Max the win at that circuit and hence the WDC. There was no "helping" about it. And this rewriting of "well Max was a beast and he deserved it". Uhh, no. If anything 2021 showed that Max can't race wheel-to-wheel fairly, you only have to look at the number of incidents like Monza, Brazil etc. Go watch the highlights of Jeddah '21 and tell me Max deserved the WDC. He deserved a race ban, if anything. Let alone the rules that had to be changed after that year, I was commentating again under the SC on Montreal how bonkers it was that after numerous SCs in '21 with Max in P2 he was allowed to restart alongside Lewis in P1.
Anyway, flame away. I just hate that flippant attitude towards what happened in '21.
This is true. Unfortunately unless we get some real closure from the Horner affair I doubt anything will change at RB with regards to a no.1 and no.2 driver. So it'll never be clear.
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