Poll: Official 2024 Sao Paulo Grand Prix Race Thread - Autódromo José Carlos Pace - Race 21/24

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rp2000 said:
Great race.

Still confused about the start infringements. Are we saying g the lights stayed red and the 1st 5 drivers started to move, then the lights turned green and allowed the rest to do the same for the sake of correcting the mess?

In theory every single car breached the Aborted start in the end, so I'm confused why only some are being investigated. Not sure it was explained by the Sky commentary team during the race.


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It was an aborted start, so the mechanics come back onto the grid. Norris pulled away instead.

The rest of the field followed eventually, but only the leading pack are being investigated for it as the rest then followed after a period, and in several cases talking to the teams.
 
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Sky called it a masterclass by Max. and I agree. He was in another league today. Rain is the great equaliser. :)

Will be interesting to see if the drivers get punished for breaking the rules on the start....
 
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Flibster said:
It was an aborted start, so the mechanics come back onto the grid. Norris pulled away instead.

The rest of the field followed eventually, but only the leading pack are being investigated for it as the rest then followed after a period, and in several cases talking to the teams.
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I'm still confused. Whether the drivers crossed the line straightaway themselves, or by team or engineer orders a bit later, surely it's all the same, unless the FIA specifically allowed it it's a breach for all or none?


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The aborted start, Sky said they’ll need to do another lap so there was obviously some serious confusion. Where did Sky get that information from.

On another note, they need to change the race calendar, why have racing in South America when it’s monsoon season.
 
imtoooldforthis said:
The level required to be a WDC is not a defined thing though. Jenson Button only had to beat Rubens Barichello and maybe a late-charging Vettel to win a WDC. Hamilton only had to beat Bottas for a few of his titles. Lando in his one and only title battle is going up against one of the greatest drivers of all time and the best driver currently on the grid. So yeah in the context of this season he's not at the level required to be a WDC but then no one else on the grid is either on recent evidence.
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Have to disagree, the constant mistakes made by LN are unforgivable given his car advantage.
 
I was hoping for a big Lando points spread this weekend to keep some proper spice in the championship, but no denying Max was the class of the field today and fully deserved the win.
 
ristac said:
The aborted start, Sky said they’ll need to do another lap so there was obviously some serious confusion. Where did Sky get that information from.

On another note, they need to change the race calendar, why have racing in South America when it’s monsoon season.
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What and miss out on weekends like this one? Shall we sanitise all races?
 
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Lando showing why he's not a top class driver today.

Hopefully McLaren can still win the Constructors but the drivers has been sealed today.
 
Not sure how much racing there was actually going on this weekend tbh. There were more questions left due to the countless issues with rules being followed, and the only reason anything changed was due to a couple (many) of incidents.

I am torn between a 1 out of 10, and a 6 out of 10, the entertainment value was high, racing very average, and the confusion a solid 10 from 10.
 
I think I’m going to watch Threads on iPlayer to cheer myself up after that result.

Beyond the pit stop (which was the team’s fault) and the starts, Norris didn’t do that much wrong. But I’d fully agree he’s not shown himself to be WDC material. Shame.
 
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Scam said:
I think I’m going to watch Threads on iPlayer to cheer myself up after that result.

Beyond the pit stop (which was the team’s fault) and the starts, Norris didn’t do that much wrong. But I’d fully agree he’s not shown himself to be WDC material. Shame.
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I agree, McLaren messed up with calling him in when they did. Almost Ferrari blunder like!
 
Some good luck, some bad luck across the piece.

Max and RBR were faultless today. Sure they had a big heap of luck with the red flag that saw Max jump up the pack, but to be fair they were on the wrong side of the red flag in quali so it kinda balances out, no?

McLaren made a bad call to pit Lando on the VSC, but Lando didn’t seem to have the pace anyway. Even without the ill timed pit and his wobble off the track towards the end of the race, I can’t help but feel that he would have struggled to maintain a good enough pace. He couldn’t get past Russell, or anyone else really. Maybe a bad setup choice, maybe Lando being too cautious, maybe a mix of both.

Certainly Lando did a lot right, but I think he and McLaren need to tighten up their game for 2025 if they want to be serious contenders.

Well done to Lewis for getting that car to the end of the race too!!
 
If Lando has shown that he isn't WDC calibre this season then im afraid we have to rule out everyone else bar Verstappen because Norris has probably been the second-best driver this season.

Leclerc is more error prone than Norris. Hamilton has been in poor form for ages. Alonso makes more mistakes than he used to (similar to Hamilton). Sainz is very good but not great, Piastri looks very promising but no way you can call him a future WDC and then claim the guy who is consistently faster than him isn't.

TLDR : Verstappen only WDC calibre driver left :p (that's a joke, although he is in a class of one IMO)
 
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ristac said:
The aborted start, Sky said they’ll need to do another lap so there was obviously some serious confusion. Where did Sky get that information from.

On another note, they need to change the race calendar, why have racing in South America when it’s monsoon season.
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They had Brazil at the start of the season and it still rained….
 
imtoooldforthis said:
If Lando has shown that he isn't WDC calibre this season then im afraid we have to rule out everyone else bar Verstappen because Norris has probably been the second-best driver this season.

Leclerc is more error prone than Norris. Hamilton has been in poor form for ages. Alonso makes more mistakes than he used to (similar to Hamilton). Sainz is very good but not great, Piastri looks very promising but no way you can call him a future WDC and then claim the guy who is consistently faster than him isn't.

TLDR : Verstappen only WDC calibre driver left :p (that's a joke, although he is in a class of one IMO)
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Nonsense. Hamilton has had a rubbish car in the last 3 years.

Agree about leclerc
 
imtoooldforthis said:
If Lando has shown that he isn't WDC calibre this season then im afraid we have to rule out everyone else bar Verstappen because Norris has probably been the second-best driver this season.

Leclerc is more error prone than Norris. Hamilton has been in poor form for ages. Alonso makes more mistakes than he used to (similar to Hamilton). Sainz is very good but not great, Piastri looks very promising but no way you can call him a future WDC and then claim the guy who is consistently faster than him isn't.

TLDR : Verstappen only WDC calibre driver left :p (that's a joke, although he is in a class of one IMO)
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Ignoring the fact Verstappen dominated the early part of the season. If it continues like this next season with no dominant team from the get go, Norris can easily win it all next season, Leclerc and Hamilton as well.
 
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