Thanks for the infomation, I'll keep an eye (or ear) on it and experiment with settings.
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Thanks for the infomation, I'll keep an eye (or ear) on it and experiment with settings.
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Hadn't noticed, but as far as I can tell they were absolutely terrible tags it was suggesting anyway... so we've always done our own. I wonder why they removed it though...
We're like 90% of the way there with our new recording setup and so far it seems like it's going to be absolutely incredible; really pleased with how it's going
Maybe they've made changes to the algorithm?
When you write your tags, do you use all of the available character space or just lay down the essential words?
We're like 90% of the way there with our new recording setup and so far it seems like it's going to be absolutely incredible; really pleased with how it's going
Well done.
So, more space, better quality equipment and pc hardware?
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I think the last time I noticed the tags was when YouTube used to do it for us.
I take it they are essential, and if so, is this example okay?
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I try to use as much as possible, but I think rather than going for words try to go for phrases or word combinations that are likely sorts of things someone might be searching for... For instance if it was a video on say Doom:
Doom, Doom Gameplay, Doom PC Gameplay, Doom Walkthrough, Doom Let's Play, Doom PC, PC Doom Gameplay
You get the idea... I think this is what you're supposed to do (not evidence to back it up though
)Well done.
We're moving from having one main PC which we play local co-op games on to having one PC each on 2 desks next to each other so that we can also play general online co-op games (and hopefully do something creative with the editing). Going to put up a vlog type video showing some of what we did and maybe talking about how we've set things up or something once it's all done
Exciting stuff though - off to bed now as a full day of building PCs tomorrow
Anyone know a way of equalizing volume over several audio clips? Did about 20 mins for a vid and not hugely happy despite adjusting the volume manually. Audacity was used too. Guess recording in one sitting would be best next time. link to vid I'm talking about.
Normalised, equalised etc in audacity, have done the same in Sony Vegas 13 but between clips I think the volume jumps a little. Doesn't help that I've got poor hearing though I guess lol
Normalised, equalised etc in audacity, have done the same in Sony Vegas 13 but between clips I think the volume jumps a little. Doesn't help that I've got poor hearing though I guess lol
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I try to use as much as possible, but I think rather than going for words try to go for phrases or word combinations that are likely sorts of things someone might be searching for... For instance if it was a video on say Doom:
Doom, Doom Gameplay, Doom PC Gameplay, Doom Walkthrough, Doom Let's Play, Doom PC, PC Doom Gameplay
You get the idea... I think this is what you're supposed to do (not evidence to back it up though
Thanks, that sounds like a decent approach.
Going to put up a vlog type video showing some of what we did and maybe talking about how we've set things up or something once it's all done
Exciting stuff though - off to bed now as a full day of building PCs tomorrow
Will look forward to the vlog.
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What about compression? I generally find (also use Audacity) that the best way to get fairly consistent sound especially when going between recording sessions is something like:
* Use a hard limiter to chop off any massive volume spikes (i.e. not just parts where you happened to speak loudly but more like gigantic outlying pops/clicks) make sure it's not too agressive and doesn't actually affect the voice sounds at all
* Could also EQ at this point if you have particular settings which you've tuned to make your voice sound its best. Also noise removal if you want (but honestly if you can get away without it I think it's worth it - really depends on how noisy your room etc. is)
* Then compress... something like a -20dB thresh, -40dB noise floor, 6.5:1 ratio and standard sort of 0.2 1.0 for attack + decay, also check the "peaks" setting but not the other one. That should get the audio nice and balanced in terms of volume
* Normalise - setting the maximum amplitude to something which results in audio which isn't too loud or too quiet (peaking somewhere just above +/- 0.5 is usually good)
Doing it in that order for me usually gets the audio to end up pretty even in terms of volume, and consistent from one recording to the next. Of course other things can affect it too like having good mic technique etc. and the general quality of the mic (which can't really be fixed in the software!)
Hope that helps - I'm not an expert at all but just passing on what seems to work okay for me
Edit: Also assuming you've recorded your mic separate to the game sounds (very important to do this) you might also want to compress the game sounds - I find doing this and then dropping the volume on the game sound quite a bit and applying auto-ducking generally results in something you can be sure won't drown out your voice. You can go a bit wider on the compression for the game audio (i.e. maybe more like -35dB thresh + 5:1 ratio)
Will look forward to the vlog.
Haha I'm a bit nervous about it but hopefully it turns out okay; might be a little while before it's ready
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If you'd rather keep it a little more private, what you could do for the video is to show footage of your new set up rather than yourself?
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If you'd rather keep it a little more private, what you could do for the video is to show footage of your new set up rather than yourself?
True, although the slightly hidden agenda is to try and make the channel a bit more personable... We thought it might be interesting but also a chance to try and get any viewers who stop by slightly more invested in us a people rather than just voices. Could backfire horribly of course!!!
A bit late to stay hidden as well as we've already filmed a few bits (including some continuous long-shots of shuffling the furniture in the room around which I'm planning to turn into a sped-up little montage)
I got Dxtory yesterday as i wanted the ability to record multiple audio, it's so good but god damn the file sizes. That was with the Lagarith Lossless Codec and 4minutes of footage was like 20gig+ but the quality was exceptional.
I had a look around and found out what JackFrags uses as his videos are always good quality and he uses Matrox codecs. Found Here and the quality is still pretty damn good but for a 4 minute video it's under 3gig.
That setup is pretty solid and keeps the file sizes down really nicely. He uses 300mb+ data rate due to his hard drives, mine does 130ish but thought i'd keep it under.
Very happy with the results and the file sizes compared to the Lagarith one, although it does what it does super well.
I had a look around and found out what JackFrags uses as his videos are always good quality and he uses Matrox codecs. Found Here and the quality is still pretty damn good but for a 4 minute video it's under 3gig.
That setup is pretty solid and keeps the file sizes down really nicely. He uses 300mb+ data rate due to his hard drives, mine does 130ish but thought i'd keep it under.
Very happy with the results and the file sizes compared to the Lagarith one, although it does what it does super well.
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Thanks for the info. That's significantly smaller file sizes than the MagicYUV lossless codec I used when I last recorded with Dxtory.
I might give that a try over the next few days.
Not a problem, it was a little over 3gig having just checked. Just give it a try and see how you get on, if you don't like it then at least you've tried and who knows it might surprise you.
Recording at 1080p/60fps
Lagarith - 4m:20s was 22gig
Lagarith - 2m:01s was 10.9
Matrox - 4m:05s was 3.2g
Now the quality isn't as good granted but the quality is pretty damn good still.
Heads up though if you view your files in VLC this codec won't work with it, something to do with it not supporting this codec. It works and loads fine in WMP and others though and is picked up by Sony Vegas/Sony Movie Studio fine as well.
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Yeah, it's the humongous file sizes that have stopped me using software like Dxtory, so this could be the solution I need (around 35 mins recording the other week = one third of a TB :/).
I found Mirillis Action to have reasonable file sizes + good quality, though it has far less features than Dxtory / and could be quite temperamental, too.
I found Mirillis Action to have reasonable file sizes + good quality, though it has far less features than Dxtory / and could be quite temperamental, too.
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Hmm, perhaps I should have another try with Matrox - when I last tried it I couldn't get it to work at all - the OSD would turn orange but the frame rate of the disk (on the right) never came up; it just said "INIT" forever, and when I stopped recording and checked the directory it hadn't recorded any footage
At the time I thought I'd narrowed the problem down to the audio streams, as disabling one device (leaving just one audio track) seemed to fix it (but recording to one track is not an option for me and one of the reasons I like DXTory). Have you got it working with Matrox + multiple audio? If so I should give it another go...
Edit: p.s. I've also heard that different codecs are suited to different graphical styles - Lagarith is supposedly very good for 8-bit/retro or generally cartoony styled visuals, but not quite so good for full 3d first/third person style games. (Seems to be true in our experience; simple cartoony games can sometimes be ~60-70Gb for over an hour of footage, but full 3d games can exceed that after ~10-20 mins)
That surprises me - VLC not supporting a codec?
I'm currently still annoyed at myself for a couple of stupid mistakes - since we just upgraded PCs I *thought* I had copied my usual DXTory settings to the new machine and it looked like they were all there, but because I'd had to re-install Lagarith too, it's settings were reset (including things like multi-core encoding etc.)...
The result? We recorded a 45 minute long preview of a new game and then found the footage was un-usable with a framerate of about 10-15fps
... It really sucked because when we re-recorded it we effectively lost a lot of the fun and reactions since we'd already played the game...Live and learn...
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Hmm, perhaps I should have another try with Matrox - when I last tried it I couldn't get it to work at all - the OSD would turn orange but the frame rate of the disk (on the right) never came up; it just said "INIT" forever, and when I stopped recording and checked the directory it hadn't recorded any footage
At the time I thought I'd narrowed the problem down to the audio streams, as disabling one device (leaving just one audio track) seemed to fix it (but recording to one track is not an option for me and one of the reasons I like DXTory). Have you got it working with Matrox + multiple audio? If so I should give it another go...
Edit: p.s. I've also heard that different codecs are suited to different graphical styles - Lagarith is supposedly very good for 8-bit/retro or generally cartoony styled visuals, but not quite so good for full 3d first/third person style games. (Seems to be true in our experience; simple cartoony games can sometimes be ~60-70Gb for over an hour of footage, but full 3d games can exceed that after ~10-20 mins)
Not had that issue at all, try using the codec i'm using maybe it was because you were using another one.
Yeah i had it recording my Mic, Game sound and Discord under three different sources and it worked fine. They all showed up fine in Sony Movie Platinum fine and i could mute ones and play others etc.
I can understand that, all my tests were done playing Rocket League and tbh they all looked very good.
That surprises me - VLC not supporting a codec?
I'm currently still annoyed at myself for a couple of stupid mistakes - since we just upgraded PCs I *thought* I had copied my usual DXTory settings to the new machine and it looked like they were all there, but because I'd had to re-install Lagarith too, it's settings were reset (including things like multi-core encoding etc.)...
The result? We recorded a 45 minute long preview of a new game and then found the footage was un-usable with a framerate of about 10-15fps
Live and learn...
Yeah it's something to do with it not using outside codecs but having it's own codec pack. That's what i read when i searched google when i could hear the sound but see no video and an error come up. I just view them files in WMP now, no biggy to be fair.
I didn't like the look of matrox and have gone back to using the and gaming evolved app at 50mb/s 1080. Looks very nice, pretty much the same as lagarith. File size very small. The only issue is the codec isn't available to dxtory so you loose the ability to have multiple audio channels unless you record them in two apps
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Hmmm... Either I'm doing something wrong or something is fudged up as if I install the Matrox VFW codecs from the above link DXTory will just completely refuse to startup