Official RX580,RX570,RX560 and RX550 series review thread

humbug · 20 Apr 2017 at 15:09

RavenXXX2 said:
Do you know the perf of the 1030 and pricing? 550 should be £60 max, why the hell they got 4GB variants I'll never know. 1050 is a lot faster than the 460/560 so worth the extra outlay.

About 1/3 the performance of the GTX 1060 with 1 and 2GB Buffer... not enough for 1080P. the RX 560 looks like it is.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 20 Apr 2017 at 15:18

RavenXXX2 said:
Do you know the perf of the 1030 and pricing? 550 should be £60 max, why the hell they got 4GB variants I'll never know. 1050 is a lot faster than the 460/560 so worth the extra outlay.

Do you even bother to read any of the press releases?? They all say UPTO 512 shaders since the GP108 has 512 shaders - and if you look at the naming convention it is GT1030,meaning there is a 1040 model also.

So lets do the maths - GTX1050 usually starts at closer to £110(outside the odd offer). The GTX1050TI starts at £130ish so is £20 more. Lets say £90 for the GT1040 to fight the RX460,so I would suspect say £70 for a GT1030.

The GT1040 is the full GPU with GDDR5,and I suspect the GT1030 will have less shaders and/or slower RAM.

orbitalwalsh · 20 Apr 2017 at 15:22

will be running Dual Aorus XTRs

on a 1600 X370 , see how they do with extra juice and some good thermal paste

Davedree · 20 Apr 2017 at 15:56

humbug said:
About 1/3 the performance of the GTX 1060 with 1 and 2GB Buffer... not enough for 1080P. the RX 560 looks like it is.

Although the rx560 is now a 1024 fully enabled cu, it's still very weak for 1080p in dx11, dx12 is pretty good though.lso just like the 460 4gb though, it was best to spend that little more and get the rx470 like myself did. Probably the same will apply to the rx570 as being a sweetspot.

Recently but no longer, the rx470 dropped down to £140 and the rx480 4gb £170. Guess amd needed to rebadge the stock before they plummeted in value.

eddyr · 20 Apr 2017 at 18:37

Davedree said:
Yes but the r&d development and lithography of the gpu section would just be transposed onto a separate interposer/substrate just like the sony ps4 pro and polaris 10 desktop.
Rx490 would have been 44/40 cu on a 384 bit bus, just like scorpio, the thing is Polaris 10 has an inherent weakness in memory bandwidth with it's current 256bit Bus and that with the inferior power consumption meant they axed the bigger polaris.
If they had made the desktop rx490 it would have drawn around 250w and performed around around a 1070 (160w). This would have been too expensive to make, just like when Amd suffered selling Hawaii when Nvidia were making the cheaper to manufacture gm204's. This would have been Amd's Gp104, but as you know we'll see Vega brought in to do this job instead.

edit for too expensive

You mean the modular CU/Shader engine blocks are able to be scaled up without modification to the architecture? Sure that would be the relatively easy bit referred to previously and would be the case whether the Scorpio chip existed or not - although we don't know what additional features were requested for MS's chip and added. Say additional advanced power management for CU's. Presumably the data routing would require a very flexible bus/crossbar to feed the GPU and also x86 cores. We can in no way assume the GPU section's design can be used as is.

The point is that there being a custom 2560sp GPU in a SoC/APU die is meaningless to the retail/OEM GPU market. You would still need new masks for a fabbing a distinct die and have to go through testing and validation. It's just would not be worth it for a 2017 retail 2560sp chip, a la Scorpio, that would offer such a minor bump in peak performance. The return is unlikely to be there.

icey_haj · 20 Apr 2017 at 19:01

Dicehunter said:
I only ordered them this morning, They'll get here tomorrow, I'll let you know

Cheers

karik666 · 20 Apr 2017 at 20:30

My 7870 died a few months ago,and i am back to using 4870,its still pretty good for older dx9/10 games.

I was wondering would the rx560 be worth getting,i know the rx460 was about the same as my 7870.

I was happy with my 7870 getting from 30 fps to high 50 fps in most games at med,high settings.

I dont have much spare cash,and was thinking the rx560 would be ok for me to game at 1080p med/high settings.

Dave · 20 Apr 2017 at 21:58

All seems a little underwhelming - I'm looking to upgrade my system (I'm on a 7950 at the moment) and I was considering a 480 8gb vs 1060 6gb at the ~£220 price point. The 580 looks a little better than the 480, but I'm not sure if nVidia have anything up their sleeves for the next couple of months. The reviews seem a little conflicting as to which is the better card - 580 it is?

TheRealDeal · 20 Apr 2017 at 22:18

Dave said:
All seems a little underwhelming - I'm looking to upgrade my system (I'm on a 7950 at the moment) and I was considering a 480 8gb vs 1060 6gb at the ~£220 price point. The 580 looks a little better than the 480, but I'm not sure if nVidia have anything up their sleeves for the next couple of months. The reviews seem a little conflicting as to which is the better card - 580 it is?

If you look at reviews where they have a good mix of games you can see the RX580 is pretty much on top of the 1060. Some reviews only use 3 to 5 games and the majority are Nvidia favoured games. To me these don't paint a fair picture. Sites that have a game suite that has strong Nvidia, AMD and Neutral games are the best for me. Like these reviews.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-radeon-rx-580-gaming-x-review,1.html

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru.../75127-amd-rx-580-8gb-performance-review.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/RX_580_Nitro_Plus/

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-580-review,5020-9.html

Davedree · 20 Apr 2017 at 22:48

Dave said:
All seems a little underwhelming - I'm looking to upgrade my system (I'm on a 7950 at the moment) and I was considering a 480 8gb vs 1060 6gb at the ~£220 price point. The 580 looks a little better than the 480, but I'm not sure if nVidia have anything up their sleeves for the next couple of months. The reviews seem a little conflicting as to which is the better card - 580 it is?

From an unbiased viewpoint, just remember in the 580 reviews they are all aib versions, the rx480s are usually reference and so are the 1060's, so aib's will perform quite a bit better. There will be refreshed 1060 6gb coming which will have faster clocks and memory.
Also some of the 480/1060 results compared to the 580 are from older drivers

In dx12 games the 1060 6gb tends to trail quite a lot behind the rx480/580. In dx11 games the 1060 will mostly win by a few fps or parity against the rx480/580 .

Looking at what should you buy is a hard one, as either rx470/570 480/580 1060 6gb, 1060 6gb refresh are all good cards. I think a decision should be made on budget and the games you wish to play.

TheRealDeal · 20 Apr 2017 at 23:23

Davedree said:
From an unbiased viewpoint, just remember in the 580 reviews they are all aib versions, the rx480s are usually reference and so are the 1060's, so aib's will perform quite a bit better. There will be refreshed 1060 6gb coming which will have faster clocks and memory.
Also some of the 480/1060 results compared to the 580 are from older drivers

In dx12 games the 1060 6gb tends to trail quite a lot behind the rx480/580. In dx11 games the 1060 will mostly win by a few fps or parity against the rx480/580 .

Looking at what should you buy is a hard one, as either rx470/570 480/580 1060 6gb, 1060 6gb refresh are all good cards. I think a decision should be made on budget and the games you wish to play.

True about most reviews using the stock cards. The Hardware Cannucks review used a 1060 Superclocked and Founders but the 1060 was still beaten in the majority by the 580 which even gets a win against the 1070 in Cod.

phenx · 21 Apr 2017 at 13:12

Like most it seems I'm a little saddened by these cards, they're not bad but I was really hoping for AMD to give nvidia some proper competition.

DragonQ · 21 Apr 2017 at 13:28

phenx said:
Like most it seems I'm a little saddened by these cards, they're not bad but I was really hoping for AMD to give nvidia some proper competition.

We all knew it was coming. I don't know why anyone would've thought these would be anything but a rebrand with slightly higher clocks to fill the gap before Vega.

jonjay · 21 Apr 2017 at 13:32

DragonQ said:
We all knew it was coming. I don't know why anyone would've thought these would be anything but a rebrand with slightly higher clocks to fill the gap before Vega.

Has not filled any gap. Someone who is on a 7950 or 290x they got no where to go. Spending £200-£250 on a 480/580 is not money well spent and would see more benifit from buying second hand 980ti or in my case a 290x.

LoadsaMoney · 21 Apr 2017 at 13:50

They have got somewhere to go, Nvidia.

DragonQ · 21 Apr 2017 at 14:19

jonjay said:
Has not filled any gap. Someone who is on a 7950 or 290x they got no where to go. Spending £200-£250 on a 480/580 is not money well spent and would see more benifit from buying second hand 980ti or in my case a 290x.

True, it's filled a gap more in the sense of "we need a new range of cards out this year" than anything related to performance. In fact the performance/price ratio is worse than the RX 400 series. Vega is high-end only and the RX 400s could've remained the low and mid end cards comfortably but in this world of marketing and uninformed consumers, most companies think they need to be seen releasing a whole new product range as often as their competition, even if it's basically a con.

Personally I'd like to see them instead point out that their cards have longevity and don't need "refreshing", or at least give that impression by naming the boosted RX 480 "RX 480+" or something rather than "RX 580".

Little*Freak · 21 Apr 2017 at 19:01

karik666 said:
My 7870 died a few months ago,and i am back to using 4870,its still pretty good for older dx9/10 games.

I was wondering would the rx560 be worth getting,i know the rx460 was about the same as my 7870.

I was happy with my 7870 getting from 30 fps to high 50 fps in most games at med,high settings.

I dont have much spare cash,and was thinking the rx560 would be ok for me to game at 1080p med/high settings.

Hiya Karik666, the other week OcUK were selling the 2GB RX 460's for £75 in one of the weekly deals, maybe they might repeat it when the RX 560 drops....
The RX 550 seems a little expensive @ £80 when you can get an MSI RX 460 for the same price elsewhere right now.

Overclockers does have 1 x GTX 750 (Low Profile) for £50 in the clearance section right now (not suggesting it, just letting you know if you are interested).

If you are interested in it, i'd ask someone else here for an actual opinion on it

icey_haj · 21 Apr 2017 at 19:17

orbitalwalsh said:
will be running Dual Aorus XTRs on a 1600 X370 , see how they do with extra juice and some good thermal paste

Just ordered an Aorus XTR, Fatality K4 X370 and a R5 1600. Should be good enough for 1080p.

silversurfer · 21 Apr 2017 at 22:58

karik666 said:
My 7870 died a few months ago,and i am back to using 4870

Funny that, my 7950 died and Im using a 4850, apparently that generation was a good one. Wait for vega to come out and see how the dust settles, prices are certain to change imo. If I didnt get that I was going to get a lower powered nvidia 10 series card, the 1050 is ok and you save on the elec so you can wait for Navi or something. Personally I would not bother buying less then 480 on the amd side, just wait and use low graphics settings. I'm finishing episode 2 of Half life

Dicehunter · 22 Apr 2017 at 03:40

Just something to play with, Will be getting the top end Vega down the line but for now here's my 2 x Sapphire Nitro+ RX-580 Limited Edition 8GB's paired with an 1800X