** Official ** Summer 2010 Transfer Thread - Signings, Sightings and Rumor's in Here

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G|mp said:
International managers don't pick players based on how good their stats are.

If they did, I dare say drunkenfool and Killswitch would be the best in the World.

Fact is whether you like it or not, Fabregas isn't first choice for Spain.

Quote as many stats as you want :)

I dare say Crouch has a better scoring record over Rooney for various groups of matches, would you put him in over Rooney?

Exactly.
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Only time will tell but as long as he doesnt get injuried I think he will start more games than you think.
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
Also correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Fabregas outscore and out assist Xavi this season?:
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He may well have done however xavi isnt one of the teams main threats in front of goal. From seeing all messi's goals this season I would think that he assised himself for most of his goals. Xavi and Iniesta are awesome and really control the midfield and for spain I cant see them needing a goal threat with torres and villa there, playmakers are more important.

I personally think fabregas will get a fair run out at the world cup but those two are epic in the middle.
 
Iniesta won't play in the middle for Spain if Torres and Villa are fit, he'll probably be a narrow right winger, with silva in a similar role on the left, xavi and xabi in the middle.
Spain have such an embarrassment of riches, and I still expect Cesc will be the man they bring on to try and change games rather than on from the start, especially seeing as he was injured for the last few weeks of the season.
 
bloodline76 said:
Only time will tell but as long as he doesnt get injuried I think he will start more games than you think.
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May be so but going back to the original point it is not guaranteed his price will go up if he has a good WC seeing as he rarely starts for the first 11.

As has already been said, he's only going to Barca anyway so they could offer 15 quid for him, if Fabregas is ****ed off and wants to leave it leaves Arsenal geting what they can for him.
 
G|mp said:
International managers don't pick players based on how good their stats are.

If they did, I dare say drunkenfool and Killswitch would be the best in the World.

Fact is whether you like it or not, Fabregas isn't first choice for Spain.

Quote as many stats as you want :)

I dare say Crouch has a better scoring record over Rooney for various groups of matches, would you put him in over Rooney?

Exactly.
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Fabregas has played in nearly every Spain game he's been fit for in the last year, where are you getting your facts?

He started the Euro 2008 final and the Confeds Cup Semi (the one they got knocked out of), so it's clear that he's first choice for the biggest games.
 
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jakeke said:
Fabregas has played in nearly every Spain game he's been fit for in the last year, where are you getting your facts?
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Euro Championships mainly, where he played a bit part in every game apart from the one where he had a stormer.

Maybe I'm wrong but whenever I've seen Spain play they go with Xavi, Iniesta and Alonso with your beloved Cesc on the bench.

It isn't my fault, that's just the way it is baby.
 
Yeah, maybe you're wrong :)!

Though to be honest I think we're both off the mark, I don't think the Spain manager ranks his players 1, 2, 3, 4 like some fans on a forum do. I'm almost certain that he rotates and doesn't really rate Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta above one another. He'll just play the right man in the right game.
 
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BFCTom said:
G|mp back causing havoc I see! :D
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Indeed, so it seems :D

I'll put it simply for you Goons.

Spawn stated that if Fabregas has a stormer at the WC his transfer fee will increase, imo this is wrong because he is only ever going to go to Barca and they pretty much hold all the cards if Fabregas wants to leave.

It will be interesting to see if Arsenal turn round and say 50 mil nothing less.

Fabregas turns round and tells Arsenal they are taking the **** because he wants to join them and they are pricing him out of a move.

You then have a case on your hands of Fabregas sitting at Arsenal being throughly ****ed off and waiting for a move to Barca where they won't pay anything near what Arsenal want, in this situation Arsenal will sell him for what they can get.
 
jakeke said:
Yeah, maybe you're wrong :)!

Though to be honest I think we're both off the mark, I don't think the Spain manager ranks his players 1, 2, 3, 4 like some fans on a forum do. I'm almost certain that he rotates and doesn't really rate Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta above one another. He'll just play the right man in the right game.
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I'm never wrong, you know that.

I agree he may well rotate them but from what I have seen and one of your own Goons backed up he tends to play "ball keepers" in midfield that can possesion and supply Torres and Villa.

Fabregas whilst great at keeping the ball tends to bomb forward to often and when you have the option of Xavi/Alonso/Iniesta I can't see him relying on Fabregas unless they are chasing a game.
 
Why do people assume Fabregas is unhappy at all to stay at Arsenal for another year or more? All he has said is that he's happy at Arsenal. He'd be happy at Barca too I'm sure, but he really doesn't strike me as the type to throw his toys out and act like a baby. He's perfectly happy in London, and at Arsenal and when he moves to Spain he'll be happy there too.

Arsenal will sell when they can get half way to replacing him, that will probably be next summer, a year is long enough to find a replacement imo
 
jakeke said:
Fabregas has played in nearly every Spain game he's been fit for in the last year, where are you getting your facts?

He started the Euro 2008 final and the Confeds Cup Semi (the one they got knocked out of), so it's clear that he's first choice for the biggest games.
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The Confederations Cup is hardly a big game and he started the Euro's final because Villa was injured.

Whether he's a starter at the WC or not remains to be seen but don't try and make out as if he was seen as a key player by Spain at the Euro's. Had that been the case he'd have been starting throughout.
 
G|mp said:
I'm never wrong, you know that.

I agree he may well rotate them but from what I have seen and one of your own Goons backed up he tends to play "ball keepers" in midfield that can possesion and supply Torres and Villa.

Fabregas whilst great at keeping the ball tends to bomb forward to often and when you have the option of Xavi/Alonso/Iniesta I can't see him relying on Fabregas unless they are chasing a game.
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I agree, Spain change formations subtlely all the time and when they employ an AM it's always Fabregas, and they sometimes slot him in elsewhere. I'm sure he just looks at the formation and the players and chooses accordingly.

The (possible) problem that Spain have is Iniesta has been injured nearly all season on-and-off, Xavi finished the season with an injury as did Fabregas. They're not all gonna be able to play every minute so I'm sure we'll see equal amounts of all which is only a good thing
 
BaZ87 said:
The Confederations Cup is hardly a big game and he started the Euro's final because Villa was injured.

Whether he's a starter at the WC or not remains to be seen but don't try and make out as if he was seen as a key player by Spain at the Euro's. Had that been the case he'd have been starting throughout.
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I didn't try and make out anything, I chose their two biggest games in recent history and Fabregas started them both, you chose to add on that I was making out he was a key player :s?

I just don't buy into this obsession that lots of non-Arsenal fans have with Fabregas and his Spanish career! If he starts he starts, if he doesn't he doesn't, I'm sure all decisions are made with more depth than 'who is better out of the 3'. In fact I'm sure that never really matters
 
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bloodline76 said:
lol Looks like you are the one letting things get to you. I never called anyone any names :p
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It was your gay rolleyes that did it, you seem to pull that one out when you're losing an argument and it's quite childish but I wouldn't expect anything less from yourself :)

I see you didn't mention that you had missed the point and threw your toys out of the pram without reading the post.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

G|mp - Educating Gooners since 2004.
 
BaZ87 said:
The Confederations Cup is hardly a big game and he started the Euro's final because Villa was injured.

Whether he's a starter at the WC or not remains to be seen but don't try and make out as if he was seen as a key player by Spain at the Euro's. Had that been the case he'd have been starting throughout.
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SexyBaz - Educating Gooners about their own players since Monday morning.
 
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