How are they against Hikvision offerings as they are relatively similarly priced (if anyone knows?)
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How are they against Hikvision offerings as they are relatively similarly priced (if anyone knows?)
Not sure what you mean by 2x2 clients, 3x3 clients or 4x4 clients?
5 members in the house.
Budget around £150
2x2, 3x3 and 4x4 refers to the antenna setup in the device, the more antennas the faster it goes. Most non-PC clients are 2x2, some are even 1x1.
Given the lifecycle of an AP is quite long, I wouldn't buy 2x2 kit for a main AP anymore. I also wouldn't buy anything that wasn't WiFi 6 unless I really needed it for the same reason. Full fibre is coming and WiFi 5/AC is EOL and has ultimately been replaced with WiFi 6/AX. While you might not have wifi 6 devices or fibre now, it is coming and within the life cycle of the AP.
So if I was starting from scratch now I would buy the Unifi 6 Long-Range, its 4x4 and WiFi 6. It on pre-order for €169 for December delivery.
Not sure if there are any bugs on them though and others may be able to comment on that.
Given the lifecycle of an AP is quite long, I wouldn't buy 2x2 kit for a main AP anymore. I also wouldn't buy anything that wasn't WiFi 6 unless I really needed it for the same reason. Full fibre is coming and WiFi 5/AC is EOL and has ultimately been replaced with WiFi 6/AX. While you might not have wifi 6 devices or fibre now, it is coming and within the life cycle of the AP.
So if I was starting from scratch now I would buy the Unifi 6 Long-Range, its 4x4 and WiFi 6. It on pre-order for €169 for December delivery.
Not sure if there are any bugs on them though and others may be able to comment on that.
All the UAP6 access points are 2x2 at the moment. I’ve got some access points in for testing and now the Lite and LR are released, they are good, but unless you have WiFi6 clients or lots of 2x2 and 1x1 clients then the Wave2 HD access points are faster.
The LR is apparently being advertised with 4x4 antennae but it can’t use them. It also has a 1Gbps Ethernet port so while they’re advertising 3 Gbps maximum throughput it’s never going to run faster than 1Gbps.
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Hikvision wipe the floor with these at the same price point. Plus, you’re locked in to UniFi Protect. These are like Apple surveillance cameras. They look great, they cost a fortune and they don’t work with other brand’s equipment.
Thanks for that, I was working off the spec page which states it’s 4x4, that’s a bit of a con if it can’t actually do 4x4. Have you got any more info on that?
The 1gbps probably isn’t really an issue in real world WiFi speeds and the rest of the network.
Only in so far as I’ve got a beta unit and it doesn’t support anything like the claimed speeds and the other issue is there are no 4x4 WiFi6 clients. So you only ever see 2x2 speeds. If you have 4 2x2 clients then it is faster than an AP-AC-HD but 1 4x4 client is faster on the HD. Ubiquiti have plenty of form in this area - the AP-AC-SHD was advertised as having Wireless Intrusion Prevention System (WIPS) and Wireless Intrusion Detection System (WIDS) and they’ve never implemented those features. So yes, in theory, the UAP6-LR has all those antennae but it can’t do anything with them because of the backhaul limitation. It’s very likely that the access point you actually want, the one with the 2.5Gbps backhaul, will be out sooner rather than later, if for no other reason than they’ve got a 2.5Gbps PoE switch in the works.
Is it on pre order though? I have been looking at the site for days and while it says "pre-order" there is no option to do so?
Would a 4x4 AP have better capability to service multiple 1x1 or 2x2 devices simultaneously, making it useful even without 4x4 clients? I'm still leaning this stuff btw.
I suppose what I am trying to say is that it’s not a great time to be investing a load of money into a WiFi 5 set up when their lifecycle is long and they are about to be replaced. It might be worth getting all your cable runs in, holding off and just using the ISP router for awhile and see where the land lies.
Wifi6 has been available for the best part of a year now, most new devices come with it built in and have done for some time.
Sure your going to have WiFi 5 devices kicking about but to me it doesn’t make sense spending a load of money on last gen kit when it lasts such a long time. AC WiFi has been about half a decade of not more.
Wifi6 has been available for the best part of a year now, most new devices come with it built in and have done for some time.
Sure your going to have WiFi 5 devices kicking about but to me it doesn’t make sense spending a load of money on last gen kit when it lasts such a long time. AC WiFi has been about half a decade of not more.
100% agree.
I have mostly WiFi 6 devices in my home so will be getting a decent WiFi 6 access point asap.
I'm not in a rush to replace my current Wi-Fi 5 setup - almost everything in my network is internet traffic, and the couple things that aren't are wired (media streaming from a NAS), or really low bandwidth IoT devices that often don't even support 5GHz let alone Wi-Fi 6. My current 2x2 802.11ac setup is 10x times faster than my internet connection so until that changes I won't see any benefit from an upgrade.
Yes, that’s part of it, but also WiFi6 changes the way that slower clients are handled so they don't drag the who system down in speed terms.
The Protect package is quite compelling for me though aside from the price. I've looked at solutions using something like Blue Iris or even Synology surveillance and keep coming back to protect as the package as whole seems easier to deploy and maintain. Unless you can recommend something I may have overlooked?
Yes, [facetious]UniFi Video[/facetious]. They just decided one day that a perfectly good product (UniFi Video) wasn’t making them any money so they ditched it and launched UniFi Protect instead. So give it a couple of years and they’ll likely kill off UniFi Protect as well. All the major surveillance camera companies have a package that pretty much works the same as Protect. And they tend to work on 10-year product cycles so your cameras will cost less, it will be fully ONVIF compatible and last longer than 5 minutes.
Check out the ‘betrayal’ videos from Crosstalk Solutions and Lawrence Systems where they talk about how they’re migrating all their UniFi Video customers to ONVIF cameras and (often) Synology Surveillance Station.
Yeah seen some of those, but also seen some of the more recent ones where they said they like the product now
Yeah seen some of those, but also seen some of the more recent ones where they said they like the product now
Yes, a huge quantity of FOC ‘test’ equipment for review productions buys a change of mind apparently. I don’t think Lawrence Systems will be installing many Protect systems anytime soon. And Willie Howe isn’t on UBNTs Christmas card list for sure.
I've just picked up a UDM Pro to add to my network to replace the BT Home Hub that came with my Fibre 900 service. Has anyone introduced it to a previously in place ubiquity network before? I currently have a 24 port switch and a cloud key, do I just hook it up to the switch via the SFP port, get it updated and adopted, then unplug my current router from the switch and plug the ONT into the WAN port on the UDM?
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A UDM Pro doesn't need adopting, it's connected already to the in built controller.
If I wasn't bothered about retaining the historical data in the Cloud Key and my network settings were simple enough I'd probably fire up the UDM, connect it to the LAN side of the switch and do all the config to get the internet connection online - remember, no VLAN setting is needed for FTTP.
Then power off the Cloud Key, reset the switch, connect the UDM Pro to the ONT and switch to the UDM Pro. Adopt the switch to the UDM Pro and setup the switch ports as you wish.
If I wasn't bothered about retaining the historical data in the Cloud Key and my network settings were simple enough I'd probably fire up the UDM, connect it to the LAN side of the switch and do all the config to get the internet connection online - remember, no VLAN setting is needed for FTTP.
Then power off the Cloud Key, reset the switch, connect the UDM Pro to the ONT and switch to the UDM Pro. Adopt the switch to the UDM Pro and setup the switch ports as you wish.
Don’t use the SFP+ port unless you’re plugging it into a 10GbE SFP+ port because you’ll need to tell it whether it’s 1Gbps or 10Gbps and you can’t do that until you’ve got the UDM Pro up and running on the controller.
As indicated above, by far the easiest option with the new controller is just forget everything off the old controller and adopt it all to the UDM Pro. I believe the import from the old controller to the new one is better now, but still a bit flakey so it’s easiest just to reset everything from scratch.