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Oh Dear, more ATI 58xx mysteries!!

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As you all might know, a lot of people, including myself have experience some kind of problem with the 5850/5870 cards.

From getting no boot at all, to fans revving up, driver crash errors, and many more (even my windows experience score used to show at 2.0 to begin with!) - i would like to add to its glitching wonderfulness :D

Now before I go on, i do not intend to slate ATI, as a previous Nvidia fanboy, this time round i wanted to give the opposition a try, that being ATI. I have never had problems with my Nvidia cards, from 8800GT's to GTX260's the drivers and stability of the cards have always been excellent.

As a first time ATI owner, i ran into many problems myself immediately, mainly driver stopped responsing messages, blacked out screens and other silly things, that and the fact that no matter what drivers i downloaded from the AMD ATI site, none worked - it was odd I had to use the drivers from CD provided, which i normally never.

For the past 2 weeks or so, gaming has been solid, Fifa 10 a breeze, Crysis never broke a sweat... But today, out of complete randomness switched the PC on after closing it down like normal, to find the screen was huge, i figured it was the drivers. CCC had dissapeared, so i uninstalled all the ATI software, my usual gpu tools such as RivaTuner/Afterburner etc, rebooted in Safe Mode and ran Driver Sweeper to remove all the left over crap. Rebooted in normal mode, went to install the drivers off the CD and it errorerd. I repeated the same previous method, this time attempting to install them from the AMD ATI site, same problem again, drivers or CCC would not install. I thought it might be overclocked rig, went into BIOS, Load Optimized defaults, repeat the same as before, still error when installing CCC. This was all on Windows 7, formatted Windows 7 and reinstalled, drivers and CCC still would not want to install, even after the format. As i was running out of ideas i thought it could be because i flashed the BIOS to the MSI one to unlock the overclocking potential, i wasnt daft i backed up the original BIOS and soon had it switched to that, repeated the previous mentioned still no joy!

One last throw of the dice was still in my favour, and i never thought this would ever happen but Vista was my saviour. Formatted, Installed Vista, CCC and drivers installed no problem at all.

My conclusion to this ridiculously long thread is:

Get Windows 7 > Your 5850/5870 is likely to not work, or not too well
Get a 5850/5870 > Dont get it for Windows 7, seriously (well not until something improves)
Get a 5850/5870 > Join the ever increasing long list of people with problems

I must add, still have had no time to test its stability on Vista, but it looks like its not going on Windows 7 no more, by choice or otherwise!

I hate to say this, and im going to get called a Nvidia fanboy for it, but come 300GT release time, i will be selling this and moving back on the green the team.

Its been problem after problem with this card, and im certainly not alone. :(
 
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Dibs on you 5850? :D

Ive noticed people having countless problems, this section fo the forums rife with them but ill still get a 5870/5890 when i upgrade.

On a side note my CCC just vanished today it was on and running last night but not today when i turned my pc on.. odd that!
 
I be more worried when new drivers come and problems are still their . It would be silly to say your going to change your card in 4 to 5 months time when the 300 comes. As the problems your having now will be long gone. It sucks the problems people are having but I do think allot of them will be sorted soon
 
It sucks the problems people are having but I do think allot of them will be sorted soon

Soon is not good enough, ive had this card since overclockers first got them in stock. It really annoys the hell out of me, they should not release something until it has some proven stability, I and many others should not have to put up with flaky hardware for 2 months+ whilst they sort it.

I hear what you're saying, but call me a Nvidia fanboy i don't care, im going back on the green team :p
 
Well after some quick google reading, ATI has always had poor drivers, new games come out, ATI is behind on there drivers etc..

im not knocking the card, just going off my experiences:

Nvidia:

Pros:

Always Stable
Up to date
Optimized games
Fans are not too loud
Dual Monitor/TV setup is much more reliable

Cons:

Stock fan not too good
Cards overheat quicker
Cards cost more usually

ATI:

Pros:

Cheaper
Seem to run cooler
Overclock very very good

Cons:

Loud Fans
Poor Driver Support
Running monitor/TV switching is pretty glitchy

Thats just a few of my comparisons, obviously you cannot compare some of them as this is a new card.

If i pay £200 plus for a GPU i shouldnt be on edge waiting for it to nack up at any given time.
 
I'm sorry but I've never had a problem with ATi drivers, even for launch products. I bought the 4870 at launch and didn't have any issues. And I've been running my current card on Win7 since the Beta and it's been rock stable since last December. There's no denying that you've come across a problem but to suggest what you've come across is common is simply wrong. The same was true with nVidia - I didn't have any problems with drivers for the 8xxx series of cards.

PS - Did you even consider the possibility that the issues relate to the fact you've overclocked your graphics card as well as your CPU? You're not running a standard config by any means. You're talking about a 35%+ overclock on the graphics card. I just wonder whether user error is not the more likely cause here.
 
Well after some quick google reading, ATI has always had poor drivers, new games come out, ATI is behind on there drivers etc..

im not knocking the card, just going off my experiences:

Nvidia:

Pros:

Always Stable - The last 9 series of drivers were nothing but troublesome
Up to date - in what way?
Optimized games - Yes we all know about Batman
Fans are not too loud - But the fanbois are :)
Dual Monitor/TV setup is much more reliable

Cons:

Stock fan not too good
Cards overheat quicker
Cards cost more usually

ATI:

Pros:

Cheaper
Seem to run cooler
Overclock very very good

Cons:

Loud Fans - Not with these new 5*** series
Poor Driver Support - Updates at least once a month isn't bad support
Running monitor/TV switching is pretty glitchy

Thats just a few of my comparisons, obviously you cannot compare some of them as this is a new card.

If i pay £200 plus for a GPU i shouldnt be on edge waiting for it to nack up at any given time.

i would say a lot of problems are user error.

I've had my 5870 sinse launch and had not one issue. even now when running Win7 x64 it's smooth and quiet and games play extremely well
 
Nvidia:

Pros:

Always Stable

Nvidia having to pay out hundred's of millions of dollars due to their laptop GPU's having a fatal flaw that was causing them to die sure doesn't say always stable to me.

Not to mention with all the problems Nvidia is having with Fermi how can you say always stable?

I've had a 5870 since launch running on both XP and Windows 7 x64 and not a single issue.
 
I read this thread as:

Generalisation Generalisation Generalisation Generalisation Generalisation Generalisation Generalisation Generalisation Generalisation Generalisation Generalisation Generalisation Generalisation Generalisation Generalisation

:D
 
im still running vista atm, i was waiting to get an ssd before installing windows 7 from your comments i may hold off a bit. even on vista i have experienced driver issues - the ones on te cd didnt work at all - not that surprising, but even on the new ones i have trouble with resient evil 5 anti aliasing which is anoying.
 
Hah. well ive ran windows xp, windows vista and windows 7. always had ati and never ever had one problem. and if i have had a problem its been a quick and easy fix. but even that was years ago. rescently its only been win win with ati software and hardware, loving my 5870 and it runs flawlessly! drivers are so good and gamer performance is outstanding. i submit that anyone with a problem gets someone else to have a look at there pc! as i can hardly believe some of the problems ive been reading. i put most of it down to user error.
 
Not had a problem with mine. everyone has problems with their hardware and if you search for it, you'll find more people with problems. It goes with Nvidia too.
 
Had a few small issues with my 5870 to start off with but everything is ironed out now and it seems bullet proof. Running games such as fallout 3 maxed out and not a single moan from the GPU.

Looking forward to the 9.12 drivers but even now I cant complaint !
 
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