Oh Dear, more ATI 58xx mysteries!!

[gurusan]

They have been associated with all sorts of problems and are basically just totally unnecessary.

As is uninstalling drivers before installing new ones....

 

[magicroundabout]

i only do that when rolling back the drivers.

The 9.11 beta's i didn't like so rolled them back to the official 9.10's.

 

[Vince]

Simples they run through your registry and driver cache destroying everything in their wake, god forbid the ATI or NV team put a new driver path or some other shenanigans in their releases these programs don’t know about.

Either way I have read far too many posts which mention driver sweeper or some other program and CCC not working for it to be coincidence.

Process for updating drivers should be downloading, double clicking and installing (were not running windows 98 now are we?). I am sure the vendor knows how to clear up old releases slightly better than some two bit smelly ***** coding in the bedroom of their parents house.

Just my two cents.

 

[toon_mad]

who saying about overclocking? most peoples issues is at stock and all my issues is at stock, so i still can't blame it on the hardware or software????

as for reflashing, it's to see if it fixs the issues. for me it as helped a lot..

as i said to them in the first page, people bought these and had problems out the box, no boot, revving up fan etc etc.

And to say its down to people overclocking, flashing etc that is nonsense > i restored the original bios, i formatted windows, reinstalled windows, no utilities like afterburner open, just try to install the ccc and drivers off the cd and it errors (but will not say what the error was).

I tried removing all usb devices apart from the essential, removed all overclocks > loaded optimized defaults, still refused to install.

Now for whatever reason, i cant install any drivers for Windows 7, yet i have here Vista installed and its worked flawlessly thus far.

As Gareth said, the majority of the problems with these cards are in fact not user related, but hardware > then software. For those who cant even boot, or get the crazy fans revving up to 100% has to do with the card. And the fact that so many people have had these anomalies surely suggests its not the user, or the users computer > but the card itself!

i use driver cleaner and never had a problem.

what problems could they cause?

i always uninstal from add/remove programmes and then run driver cleaner before instaling new drivers or rolling back to old ones

+1

 

[Vince]

.... snip

Edit ... Cancel that!! I lie!

 

[kylew]

I've been extremely happy with my 5850 until...

Yesterday, I left my desktop for an hour or so, came back to discover a blank black screen. Blue light on the monitor, so it was receiving a signal. No picture. I had to shut it down several times and remove the DVI cable from the monitor before it would work. But I put it down to the monitor. Now I'm not so sure. It's the first experience of this. Also, since yesterday, the fan has started at 100% then settled down (by itself). It has never done this before. I'm using Win 7 x64 HP. It is okay again this morning, but I am experiencing other weird issues which I have not been able to resolve. It's not one thing in particular and I don't think it's *just* Windows 7 either, but I can't be sure. All my hardware is working as expected so it is a mystery.

Edit: and just to add, my card is at stock.

That's a windows 7 issue, loads of people have had this issue, win 7 tries to go in to sleep mode and the whole PC just goes off.

I've had this issue in every pre-release build as well as the RTM. It's widely documented.

 

[arc@css]

Sorry to hear about the OP's problem. You are more likely to experience issues when new tech is released for sale, whether it be software or hardware. This is the reason why I don't. In a month or two I'm sure a vast amount of problems will be sorted, not that this helps right now of course.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

5850 here PERFECT, all drivers PERFECT, Win 7 64bit PERFECT

 

[Jabbs]

No problems here also just on Win 7 32 not had one issue with the card or games so far.

 

[ebilcake]

Nvidia:

Pros:

Always Stable
Up to date
Optimized games
Fans are not too loud
Dual Monitor/TV setup is much more reliable

Cons:

Stock fan not too good
Cards overheat quicker
Cards cost more usually

ATI:

Pros:

Cheaper
Seem to run cooler
Overclock very very good

Cons:

Loud Fans
Poor Driver Support
Running monitor/TV switching is pretty glitchy
.

nvidia cards overclock allot more and have better stock cooling, neither cards really overheat unless of course their faulty, just because the clockspeeds are higher does not mean they overclock more.

nvidias drivers are more reliable but there not always stable, oh and neither companys products run cooler, I can easily get my HD5870 past 90C and that does seem to be the norm for high end cards atm regardless of which you buy.

Believe it or not left4dead heats the card more then anything else, I guess pushing 200-300fps constantly takes it's toll.

 

[drunkenmaster]

as i said to them in the first page, people bought these and had problems out the box, no boot, revving up fan etc etc.

And to say its down to people overclocking, flashing etc that is nonsense > i restored the original bios, i formatted windows, reinstalled windows, no utilities like afterburner open, just try to install the ccc and drivers off the cd and it errors (but will not say what the error was).

I tried removing all usb devices apart from the essential, removed all overclocks > loaded optimized defaults, still refused to install.

Now for whatever reason, i cant install any drivers for Windows 7, yet i have here Vista installed and its worked flawlessly thus far.

As Gareth said, the majority of the problems with these cards are in fact not user related, but hardware > then software. For those who cant even boot, or get the crazy fans revving up to 100% has to do with the card. And the fact that so many people have had these anomalies surely suggests its not the user, or the users computer > but the card itself!




+1

Ok, if you've overclocked, overvolted and flashed your card, you COULD have done damage, that won't simply be reversed by reflashing your bios. To say its nonsense, is in and of itself nonsense. You can not in any way say for certain you didn't do something yourself, though unlikely if it works in Vista, but generalising that you reflashed the old bios so it couldn't be a problem is ridiculous.

As for people with DOA cards, get over it, there is no hardware available that doesn't have units turn up DOA, again theres less threads on other cards at the moment because the majority of talk at the moment is about a new card and most people buying now are buying the 58XX's.

Again, loading optimised defaults DOES IN NO WAY MEAN ITS STABLE. Optimised defaults are NOT OPTIMISED FOR YOUR HARDWARE. They are motherboard optimised, if your memory doesn't run at "optimised/default" voltage, which 90% of ddr2/ddr3 doesn't, they you aren't running as well as you should. LIkewise you haven't mentioned 64 or 32bit windows, for Vista or Windows 7, or if theres a difference.

You really haven't made specific mention of your problems and errors, just generalisations which well doesn't let anyone see what the problem might be.

Also yes, drivercleaner is a joke, people insist they can't have errant entries in their registry and they must be purged because registries are so delicate. Then they load up a problem to delete a load of stuff and they have no clue what its actually removing, nor is it kept up to date, nor does it know if it should be deleting what it is and yes, its a KNOWN issue that CCC can often not be reinstalled after using driver cleaner.

THere could be any number of things, the newest drivers not being easy to install without the latest win 7 update, without .net being updated or newest version installed, could be ANYTHING. Considering plenty of people have it working flawlessly, as did you, as you do now on another OS, suggests to me theres no issue with the hardware at all.

 

[gurusan]

Have you tested the card in another rig?

 

[elpedro]

my screen went green with black lines yesterday after playing WAW online.

This is my problem with Crysis Wars and Crysis Warhead. It has also happened in Gears of War.

The game stops, then the whole screen turns into vertical bars like stripes.

I DO NOT think it's an overclocking/overheating problem though. As I went as far as re flashing to my original bios and ran stock clocks. I then left the MENU SCREEN open in Crysis Warhead and after like 15 minutes it crashed in the exact same way.

Furthermore, I ran Furmark on maximum stress with my overclocked settings (900/1250) and ran fine for an hour or so, not going past 74C with 33% fan.

I'm hoping to hell this is fixed in 9.12 drivers. I've tried 9.10 and 9.11 beta, same story. I've even put up a cheeky price check on my card. If this isn't sorted I'll take £300 for it and cut my losses at £9.99 which I hope I don't have to!

 

[magicroundabout]

i can only believe mine did this due to me having my card clocked so high from stock. it's the only thing i have changed and it's the only time it's happened.

 

[madindehead]

I must say, for a large company, with a massive flagship product coming out, for the launch of Windows 7, I would be highly embarrassed to be ATi right now.

I mean, the RTM of Windows 7 has been around since August. Surely they would have had time to fully test the drivers for these cards, and make sure that they worked properly.

I know you cannot test for every setup around, but waiting until December to release your full drivers is a bit shameful.

Where is the point in buying a 58xx series card for Windows 7 and DirectX 11, if the cards don't work very well.

 

[magicroundabout]

but they do. mine works flawlessly

 

[fornowagain]

Not had a problem with Win 7 RTM and 2x 5870 @ 900/1250 (Asus bios) since release.

I've read people have problems with higher than default pci-e frequency, 100 or 101 seem to work best.

 

[Shikyo]

Same here, my Sapphire 5850 is running flawlessly for one month now on vista x64, even though it's flashed with the MSI bios and clocked to 900/1200.
I've been playing WoW, Dragon Age, Battleforge, Crysis, CS:S, Hawx, FSX, Grid and NFS:S without any issues at all.

 

[Jabbs]

I can only agree with the chaps above mines been faultless from day 1, pci-e frequency is on default on mine as well, 950/1200 and every game i ran has worked fine.

 

[hyperst]

Well i got a 5770 saturday, first thing i did was go to control panel unistall manager, uninstall everything ati, didnt rebboot yet, went to c:/properties, and ran drive cleanup, cleared all old file and the such like, shut down pC.

Installed new card, start up pc,small grind on fan and upto full whack for a split second, normal, windows loads up normal, let it install its drivers for the card ( i completly let the install of the drivers complete) i then get on the net get to amd pick my card and os , download the driver recommended, install the driver, runs perfect since.

Im wondering when it comes up windows installing driver software how many of you let this run or cancel it?