Poll: Old & bitter?

Based on your personal experience (your own views if you consider yourself to be older, or the appar

  • People's views stay much the same throughout their life

    Votes: 47 15.8%

  • As people age and enjoy/anticipate benefits of financial security etc. they become more tolerant

    Votes: 70 23.6%

  • Hearts harden with the arteries, old = bitter, Daily Mail is right, youth of today have it easy etc

    Votes: 180 60.6%
  • Total voters
    297
Slam62 said:
People call it synisism, I call it realism. Realism is what achieves thing not relentless positivity.
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I have preached this for years to people who have worked for me. Positivity is great and good to see, it's good to be around positive people. However it needs to be used within the context of realism. Business is full of people, usually those who have spent their life telling not doing, suggesting that with positivity you can achieve anything. Sadly this is fantasy for most people and why positivity is a great thing to posses, but without realism it will lead to mostly failure and disappointment for the vast majority of people.

We are not all the same, some people are just better at things than us, so we can't all act and do the same things and get the same result. We need normality in the masses so some people can make money and breed success, sadly.
 
Last option imo. The older the Brits get, the more Daily Mail they get.

The coffin dodgers are more likely to vote than the young and working age. The dodgers wanted Brexit without any showing consideration for the young / working age. The dodgers got what they wanted.

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Number 3 imo. I was a lot more tolerant when I was in my early twenties than I am in my late 30's. god knows where I'll be by the time I'm 60. Will probably be goose stepping round my house with a funny little moustache.
 
None of those things represent me. As I become older I become more cynical but I don't believe it's any easier now for youth than it was for me.
 
One of my new year resolutions was not to click on the DM ever again. It is one of the very worst type of media outlets, happy to never question, purely to provoke it's rabble so they click on more adverts.
 
DampCat said:
None of those things represent me. As I become older I become more cynical but I don't believe it's any easier now for youth than it was for me.
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Its not easier but they expect it all and expect it now.

I know a guy a year younger than me, took an entry level job at a warehouse. Quit after a week because he expected to be in a managerial or position of authority off the bat :eek:

Even my year, I see people who "expect" and "expected" by now to be multi millionaires because they were told they could do it and going to uni would get them there within a couple of years of leaving.

A lot of my school year ask how I can afford a nice car, and to do what I want, take days or weeks off yet still get along easily, well, the shocker to them is while they were in uni, racking up debt and getting drunk, I was working my ass off building my reputation and company.
 
With old age comes wisdom. Something lacking from the young. On the other hand old age can make you faded and stifle your exuberance. Personally I'd rather be old and jaded than young and dumb. :cool:
 
Mr Badger said:
In numerous threads (pensions, national service, Brexit) there appears to be a trend of older posters showing a lack of empathy for others and in particular for young people. But is this really the case? How about a poll?

Based on your personal experience (your own views if you consider yourself to be older, or the apparent views of older people that you know if you are still young) do you think that:

1) People's views stay much the same throughout their life
2) As people age and enjoy/look forward to the benefits of retirement, financial security etc. they become more happy and tolerant of others
3) Hearts harden with the arteries, old = bitter, Daily Mail is right, youth of today have it easy etc.
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Christ Almighty this post is dripping with a condescending tone that makes me want to face-plam.
 
Surfer said:
When you are young you still have hope...
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Hope is not restricted to the young. Hope is though wishful thinking. I'm not saying it's a bad thing but I am saying it's faith based and as we know, faith is belief without evidence.
 
Yep!

Hearts Harden with Arteries!

"Everybody" is born a Socialist, fortunately for the world, enough people grow out of it to ensure that the world continues to run!

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With age comes experience and a certain sense of reality in the world. Equally I do feel the amount of patience I have grows smaller each year.
 
Apparently I don't suffer fools gladly these days which is not what would have been said about me before :)
I don't think the youth of today has it any easier. I do however think we need to change as a society hence think something along the lines of a national service would help (but not necessarily the forces or serving our country but going out there in the word and helping others for a period of time).

People generally these days, not just the young, seem to want to blame others and not accept responsibility and feel entitled to everything.....oh and worship stupid celebs way too much :P
 
Housey said:
One of my new year resolutions was not to click on the DM ever again. It is one of the very worst type of media outlets, happy to never question, purely to provoke it's rabble so they click on more adverts.
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I LOVE THEIR HEADLINES WHEN THEY TALK LIKE THIS WITH BASELESS **** OR CELEB GOSSIP

Yet every other news headline I see manages just fine when they're not in caps. I scroll right past. I suppose it makes it easy.

Problem is with the poll, is a lot of it is just a generalisation, but then again, everything nowadays seems to just be a stereotype and "you must be like it" and saying you aren't must mean you're offended.
 
Housey said:
I've said it before and will keep saying it. All the old people were young once, none of the young have been old yet. Your views change often with life experience as you have life experience and can look back on the views, ideas and knowledge you had back when you were a youth and realise how often much of it was misguided, wrong.......or spot on, but experience is what you need to educate you on which. The differences between being young now and young then really matter little in the grand scale of life as that will always change.

Young people are vital, their creativity and challenging of the ways of old are vital to an evolving and developing society and should be embraced where appropriate and listened to often and of course challenged hard. But as you age you realise that young and energised with an answer for everything is not actually and answer for much, that is what experience shows you. That won't change the younger or older generations however, nor should it, both have a place and the fight is what makes things better.....and worse.
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It's a perfectly fair point to raise that the old were young once but the opposite is not true. However it isn't the automatic clincher in an argument that some seem to laud it as - one can be old and ill-informed (or lacking in critical thinking if you prefer) in the same way that one can be young and ill-informed.

In many ways I doubt if attitudes of different generations have changed much with the passage of time e.g. I suspect that the older generation in the 1920s probably think much the same about the young as the older generation today. And the young in the 1920s probably thought much the same about the older generation as the young today so. Obviously that's a large generalisation and exceptions will apply.

What has, of course, changed is that there is a larger percentage of the population who will live to retirement age and well beyond. That is, in many ways, a good thing and a sign of progress but it does almost certainly also have an impact on society as each generation seeks to pursue what they see as the best outcomes for themselves. Again this will not be without exceptions and may not even be a conscious choice but it is a point to recognise.

V F said:
I remember 7 - 9 being so awesome. Can still remember it like it was yesterday even though it wasn't. 87 - 90 I always remembered the better and longer summers. 91 - 93 was awesome as well. We had moved in 91. So many great wonderful summers out cycling everywhere. 96 became even better once I got into dirt bikes but today is even better bar the amount of sucky weather. :/
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For a split second I wondered why you'd skipped remembering anything between the ages of 10 and 86 but obviously you've just switched between age relative to you and years. :o
 
Tunney said:
And you were wondering why this country is going down the pan...
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I didn't say it was going down the pan I implied it has no direction.

I can't vote in the poll, because I would go for three except not dailymail and young people have not got it easy.

Tolerance of what? Idiots, time wasters, liars, criminals.

Idiots are ok if they've got no control of anything, the rest can just go away.
 
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