Poll: Old & bitter?

Based on your personal experience (your own views if you consider yourself to be older, or the appar

  • People's views stay much the same throughout their life

    Votes: 47 15.8%
  • As people age and enjoy/anticipate benefits of financial security etc. they become more tolerant

    Votes: 70 23.6%
  • Hearts harden with the arteries, old = bitter, Daily Mail is right, youth of today have it easy etc

    Votes: 180 60.6%

  • Total voters
    297
That image also describes what would happen if todays youth came up against Hitler. Back in the 1930/40s the then 21 year somethings, flying spitfires and fighting hitler, did the job and beat him. You look at today's 21 year old homogenised "Nathans" and you know that they have no bottle to go and fight for their country...they probably would hold a demonstration march against war and then go to starbucks to have a latte and congratulate themselves on what a sterling job they did!

I disagree.

Having a niece and nephew in their 20s I don't envy them with lack of job security and competition for jobs.

However they also, due to social media, have more opportunities.

I hope I never agree with the daily mail.
 
Lots of generalizing and blaming going on here. To think an entire generation of people are not hard working and "have it easy" is just plain wrong. You are obviously picking examples which fit your argument and neglecting those who do in fact work hard or are genuinely less fortunate.

I think Housey had it about right with his first response and I can see myself following a similar train of thought as I get older. Do the older generation want the younger generation to be young and bitter?
 
Isn’t it generally accepted that people become more conservative with age?

From my own experience, with age comes an understanding of human nature. An understanding that society evolves far faster than biology, and that we’re ultimately very clever animals with rocks and spears that can destroy continents.

Thinking back to when I was 16-21, I was so naive yet so confident. I’d learned a few big words, read a few chapters of a few impressive sounding books and I knew exactly how the world worked. I was so informed, so logical, such a critical thinker…only I wasn’t at all. Fortunately for me, when I was going through that insufferable know-nothing-know-it-all stage the internet wasn’t as ubiquitous as it is now, so I didn’t have the ability to broadcast my cringe worthy dip****ery to the world. Having been through this stage it becomes very easy to recognise in others.
 
Isn’t it generally accepted that people become more conservative with age?

From my own experience, with age comes an understanding of human nature. An understanding that society evolves far faster than biology, and that we’re ultimately very clever animals with rocks and spears that can destroy continents.

Thinking back to when I was 16-21, I was so naive yet so confident. I’d learned a few big words, read a few chapters of a few impressive sounding books and I knew exactly how the world worked. I was so informed, so logical, such a critical thinker…only I wasn’t at all. Fortunately for me, when I was going through that insufferable know-nothing-know-it-all stage the internet wasn’t as ubiquitous as it is now, so I didn’t have the ability to broadcast my cringe worthy dip****ery to the world. Having been through this stage it becomes very easy to recognise in others.

Unless of course you got caught up in the day to day struggle and you stopped bothering with critical thinking, logic, books etc. and went with your gut feelings. Or perhaps you believe it's a coincidence that those who don't stop doing those things(academia, scientists, highly educated proffessionals) tend to have left wing views?
 
...oh and just heard a 20 odd year old say she got a new car for xmas, but didn't like the colour of it. That makes my blood boil at the " I'm entitled to" generation. Has a new car to drive to university but doesn't like the colour....

This girl

 
I think there's an interesting discussion to be had here but as always, it'd have more weight and consequence outside the fetid squalor of GD where so few are willing to compromise and are just looking for a place to sound cool and intellectual.

Obviously it's all relative. Every aspect of culture changes all the time and that informs whoever happens to be growing up at the time. Then there's just the plain and simple fact that people are JUST different. Not every millennial is a special *********, just as how everyone pre 90's isn't a bitter old fart. It's just nonsense to assume one generation of ****heads is worse then any that succeeds/precedes it.
 
4. Older just get wiser, and no longer fall for the same crap as the young 'uns who are fresh out of their government loving, brainwashing academy.
 
Unless of course you got caught up in the day to day struggle and you stopped bothering with critical thinking, logic, books etc. and went with your gut feelings. Or perhaps you believe it's a coincidence that those who don't stop doing those things(academia, scientists, highly educated proffessionals) tend to have left wing views?
I knew you'd respond as you're the absolute epitome of what I was talking about. And those highly educated left-wing professionals you speak of live in a bubble of safety created and maintained by highly educated professionals who understand human nature.
 
And those highly educated left-wing professionals you speak of live in a bubble of safety created and maintained by highly educated professionals who understand human nature.

So highly educated leftwingers live in a bubble maintained by highly educated rightwingers? Or what? Can you elaborate?
 
So highly educated leftwingers live in a bubble maintained by highly educated rightwingers? Or what? Can you elaborate?

Hhhmm that has a ring of truth about it. Electricity, water, transport infrastructure, modern food distribution. Yup they might fall into that category.

edit: just to be clear, I'm being a little glib.
 
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And I support this too. The youth of today don't have it harder, they have more opportunity than any generation before them. Now that may create different challenges, but it's not harder. I spend time working within my old school to help students prepare for working life so I have a very clear understanding of what the reality of being a child today is compared to what it was in my day and trust me, there is much more going for them today, but a different mindset that is frustrating. To my point up top, no child of today can possibly understand that however as they only have their experience.

I wouldn't agree that this generation has more opportunities than any before them. Different opportunities sure, but more? Probably not. Just as this generation don't have it easier than previous generations, but probably don't have it harder either. The struggles, opportunities and hardships are different.

For example todays generation are finding it harder to get on the housing ladder and are predicted to be poorer than the previous generation, but at the same time that is evened out by greater accessibility for self growth, communication and a wide variety of other things that have changed since the last generation were young. That in itself brings challenges and difficulties that previous generations have not faced.

You may think you know what is going through the minds of the current generation having helped in schools, but do you really? Just as the younger generation can think they have an idea about what it's like to be old - but we don't.

The whole "we had it much harder in our day, your generation don't know how easy it is" has probably been around since the 'invention' of generations...:p


As for the original question. It probably depends. Personally I've become more liberal with age, but being a millennial that's not saying much. :p

The difficulty is separating out the generational divide with actual change over someones lifetime. As an example when todays 60 year olds were growing up multiculturalism and internationalism were not as prevalent. Most people that age didn't grow up going to school with people from Poland, India, Africa etc, and as such may have more of an aversion to immigration due to that. Racism was more acceptable, where for the young today it's been drummed into us that it's bad. That's just one example of variability in just one of a myriad of issues that could be grouped under the question. Are people more "grumpy" as they get older, or does it just seem like that because the world moves on?
 
Absolutely no chance. If the wars of the past were fought with the youth of today, we'd be on overclockers.de right now.



I have better music taste than that.

So it's only British people affected? Are the German youth still like their grandparents?

I doubt most german youth would want to fight any more than british youth, being brought up in a modern western society. They likely reflect the british youth of today - more inclusive, international and less likely to vote in a party that would create another world war by aggression. Unlike the older generation - see Brexit and Trump where they were overwhelmingly supported by the older generation. :p
 
Some might hack it, the majority would fall apart in the first week of basic training as the corporal in charge of their section will not offer a safe space as an alternative to an afternoon of running around the woods in full kit.

Remember that the young men that rushed to join up in 1939 had, on the whole, not led pampered lives and had grown up used to hardship thanks to the economic crisis of the early 1930s.

Well that's the 0.1% of the millennials discussed. What about the other 99.9% that don't need safe spaces?;)

And on the subject of unfair stereotypes why don't we just sent all the bigoted racist old people instead? (am I doing it right - unfair gross generalisation based on a small minority?):p
 
4. Only psychologists think you can put everybody in a box, and apply generic rules to everyone.

I have a pretty low opinion of psychologists :p
 
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