Older generation - racist?

dirtydog · 22 Dec 2008 at 19:45

Okay I'll be nice - it's nearly Christmas!

Nitefly · 22 Dec 2008 at 19:46

dirtydog said:
I agree with her that she is not English

She is British in a legal sense, she has citizenship by dint of being born here. She is correct about that.

I see. You wouldn't accept that she is British in any other sense other than purely legal one, despite not meeting her?

CliffyBiro · 22 Dec 2008 at 19:46

a lot of the old people I deal with on a daily basis are blatently racist.

Even against me, and I'm Northern Irish. Not exactly a big jump across the world.

JohnnyG · 22 Dec 2008 at 19:46

I shouldn't have bothered really Malc, your skin is thick enough not to get annoyed anyway

4T5 · 22 Dec 2008 at 19:47

JohnnyG said:
I shouldn't have bothered really Malc, your skin is thick enough not to get annoyed anyway

People of Substance annoy me but those without do not

Chimerical · 22 Dec 2008 at 19:47

Nitefly said:
I see. You wouldn't accept that she is British in any other sense other than purely legal one, despite not meeting her?

She is British imo. Born here & considers herself British, then she's British.

End of.

dirtydog · 22 Dec 2008 at 19:49

Nitefly said:
I see. You wouldn't accept that she is British in any other sense other than purely legal one, despite not meeting her?

I consider her an immigrant and not one of my people. Just like if I had been born in Pakistan, other Pakistanis would rightly not consider me a true Pakistani or one of their people. Nothing racist about it and I have nothing against her personally but she isn't one of us.

Nitefly · 22 Dec 2008 at 19:53

dirtydog said:
I consider her an immigrant and not one of my people. Just like if I had been born in Pakistan, other Pakistanis would rightly not consider me a true Pakistani or one of their people. Nothing racist about it and I have nothing against her personally but she isn't one of us.

To me I think it is slightly different from your own example in that she admits she is not English, but that doesn't mean she can not be British.

I consider Britain as having a large mix of heritages. Our opinions will simply have to differ

Atrox Moris · 22 Dec 2008 at 19:55

dirtydog said:
I consider her an immigrant and not one of my people. Just like if I had been born in Pakistan, other Pakistanis would rightly not consider me a true Pakistani or one of their people. Nothing racist about it and I have nothing against her personally but she isn't one of us.

So nationalistic xenophobia rather than simple racism?

dirtydog · 22 Dec 2008 at 19:57

Atrox Moris said:
So nationalistic xenophobia rather than simple racism?

Neither

I'm not racist - I fully respect all other races. I am not xenophobic - I fully respect other nationalities.

Gothic Draconia · 22 Dec 2008 at 20:11

Ism for this, ism for that. What a thoroughly modern term.
Different races are not all the same, they are different.

CliffyBiro · 22 Dec 2008 at 20:13

Gothic Draconia said:
Different races are not all the same, they are different.

Deep.

dirtydog · 22 Dec 2008 at 20:16

skippi90 said:
Deep.

He's right.

Gothic Draconia · 22 Dec 2008 at 20:17

skippi90 said:
Deep.

Many might see the obvious but it is obvious that many people do not. lol

Chimerical · 22 Dec 2008 at 20:19

Gothic Draconia said:
Many might see the obvious but it is obvious that many people do not. lol

We're different but equal.

Equality and difference are two seperate things.

LabR@t · 22 Dec 2008 at 20:22

Nitefly said:
My girlfriend's family is from Pakistan. She was born in England.

She does not consider herself English.

However, she does consider herself British.

What do you think of that?

why is she british and not english why is she ashamed to be english?

Not english in my book either but why does she feel british?

Gothic Draconia · 22 Dec 2008 at 20:23

Chimerical said:
We're different but equal.

Equality and difference are two seperate things.

I totally agree with both of your points.

dirtydog · 22 Dec 2008 at 20:25

LabR@t said:
why is she british and not english why is she ashamed to be english?

I'm sure she isn't ashamed of anything - she just recognises the fact that she isn't English.

Chimerical · 22 Dec 2008 at 20:30

dirtydog said:
I'm sure she isn't ashamed of anything - she just recognises the fact that she isn't English.

But in your opinion, what is English?

'English', historically, is just a mixture of Anglo-Saxon, Norman, Roman & Viking (plus some other ancient nationalities/races).

Adding some African or Asian to the mix makes no difference to me.

I'm not accusing you of anything, just interested.

LabR@t · 22 Dec 2008 at 20:33

dirtydog said:
I'm sure she isn't ashamed of anything - she just recognises the fact that she isn't English.

born in england but says she not english but british what utter tosh might as well stay pakistani then