Olympic Opening Ceremony

Kenai said:
Surely the point in which it was used during the show, during the long historical montage, makes it obvious it was being used as a historical reference? I doubt the majority of the public are even aware of it's current use, nevermind it being the overriding association they have with that symbol.

Like many of the 'political' complaints people have with this ceremony, I think people are seeing things because they're looking for them and want to see them, so that they can have a good old British moan about it :p
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Not at all, I didn't really see the socialism aspects until they were pointed out to me......

The CND symbol however did stand out to me...probably because I associate it entirely with the Campaign in the 1980s for Nuclear Disarmament and the current political argument regarding Trident.

For that reason alone I though it was inappropriate. There were other ways that the 60s could be referenced...particularly as the peace movement was more associated with the United States and the Anti-War movement, whereas Britain in the 60s was more about Fashion, Music and cultural revolution in the UK.

Anyway, it isn't that important. I just thought it was strange to include it that is all.
 
Castiel said:
Actually it is not, Bertrand Russell was instrumental in its creation and the arms down symbol was used to signify a reversal and breaking of the Cross of Christ, the Saracens painted it on their Shields, but in any case the symbol is still associated with a current political movement and the suffragettes are not......it was out of place and given the apolitical nature of the Olympics unnecessary....

If it was simply a historical reference then fair enough, however it is still used in the current protests against public sector cuts, which Danny Boyle is a staunch supporter of.
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So how do you feel about the inclusion of the Suffragettes?
 
Castiel said:
That is not to say we should not hold them......quite the contrary I think we should celebrate the fact the Olympics are being held in the UK (political posturing aside) and that the benefits are not just about money, but about prestige.
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Simon Kuper covers this extensively in Why England Lose. His conclusion is that most nations break even after all purely monetary benefits are included. However, events like this make most people in the host nation happy. Being an economist, he gives this happiness a dollar-value and it's worth billions.
 
Guile said:
A real distortion of British history made by cultural Marxists. It is a sad reflection of those who control our country.

What do you think the world thought when they saw Dizzy Rascal? This is what the elite of this nation want us to be.
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agreed it was leftist rubbish but what do you expect from media darlings and the BBC
 
Tunney said:
Simon Kuper covers this extensively in Why England Lose. His conclusion is that most nations break even after all purely monetary benefits are included. However, events like this make most people in the host nation happy. Being an economist, he gives this happiness a dollar-value and it's worth billions.
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It is a bit tenuous to associate happiness with a dollar value......but the point I was making is that it isn't always about the money, sometimes things are worth doing just because they are worth doing....I would say the Olympics is one of them, even if I personally am not that interested in the sports involved.
 
LabR@t said:
no but the way they fawned over it was ridiculous.
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What did you expect?

Huw Edwards moaning that the celebration of the Windrush was everything that is wrong with modern Britain and we ought to send all the dirty **** back?

Use your brain for God's sake
 
Kenai said:
What did you expect?

Huw Edwards moaning that the celebration of the Windrush was everything that is wrong with modern Britain and we ought to send all the dirty **** back?

Use your brain for God's sake
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the Nhs sections was dire I was cringing, in todays economy that 27m would have been better spent on the NHS!
 
What does that have to do with the BBC? Do you think ITV would have sat there commenting how much of an embarrassment it all is?

Did you stop to perhaps think that maybe your opinion isn't in fact, even remotely reflective of the general public anyway?
 
Castiel said:
Except the use of it in the current political campaign against public sector cuts of course.......:p

I think most people my age will associate it with a particular campaign and the Greenham Common protests etc....so I would say it was a universally recognised protest symbol more that a non-political peace symbol.
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I don't mean to be crude, but are most people your age, especially in global terms... in the minority? :o
 
PMKeates said:
I don't mean to be crude, but are most people your age, especially in global terms... in the minority? :o
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:confused:

In Global terms the largest majority of people by age group are 14 or under.........and they probably don't know what the symbol is...and if they have seen it is probably associated with the current Protest Movement on the TV. :p
 
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