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On Intel Raptor Lake, any truth to the rumors that disabling all e-cores hurts single threaded performance of the p-cores??
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Soldato
I don't even understand what you are talking about.
There is not a single scenario that a 13900k with ecores off is faster than with ecores on. Disabling them is silly. Period
Soldato
But you are the one buying a ferrari and turning it into a lada by disabling the ecores, lol
No its not. Its all about individual use case scenarios.
There most certainly are cases where disabling e-cores gives faster performance. Likewise there are cases where leaving them on gives better performance. It all depends on the use case scenario.
Soldato
Can you post one scenario where ecores off gives better performnace? I've been asking you for months now. Post your bench, ill post mine with ecores on and we will see the results. How hard is it
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Lol no!! Disabling those peasant crappy cores is no wear near turning a Ferrari into a Lada
Soldato
Then for the love of god post us your benchmark to prove it
Test wydajności rdzeni P-Core i E-Core w procesorze Intel Core i9-12900K z pamięciami DDR5 Patriot Viper Venom | PurePC.pl
Test wydajności rdzeni P-Core i E-Core w procesorze Intel Core i9-12900K z pamięciami DDR5 Patriot Viper Venom (strona 26) Test wydajności rdzeni P-Core i E-Core w procesorze Intel Core i9-12900K. Test z pamięciami DDR5 Patriot Viper Venom RGB
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Tons of examples where performance is way better in games with those e-waste cores off!!
And that is better even manually tuning the CPU in which games will be much better with those e-waste cores off, More thermal headroom and can clock ring higher and P cores higher and L3 cache all available to the important P cores and not starved by those e-waste cores for games.
Soldato
In the review you just posted 8+8 with ht on is faster than 8+0 ht on in almost every scenario. WTF are you talking about man????? Like seriously, this is nuts...Test wydajności rdzeni P-Core i E-Core w procesorze Intel Core i9-12900K z pamięciami DDR5 Patriot Viper Venom | PurePC.pl
Test wydajności rdzeni P-Core i E-Core w procesorze Intel Core i9-12900K z pamięciami DDR5 Patriot Viper Venom (strona 26) Test wydajności rdzeni P-Core i E-Core w procesorze Intel Core i9-12900K. Test z pamięciami DDR5 Patriot Viper Venom RGB
Tons of examples where performance is way better in games with those e-waste cores off!!
And that is better even manually tuning the CPU in which games will be much better with those e-waste cores off, More thermal headroom and can clock ring higher and P cores higher and L3 cache all available to the important P cores and not starved by those e-waste cores for games.
Not true at all in games and this was with Windows 11 proving how bad those e-cores are for gaming as the thread director screws up the P cores in WIN11!!
Core i7-12700K review revealing that E-cores hurt P-cores, but without them, everything is only worse
A review of the Core i7-12700K reveals that the presence of E-cores negatively impacts the performance of P-cores, but without them, the overall performance is even worse.
fox-laptop.com
In WIN10 having those e-waste cores off helps performance so much for games!!
Soldato
In all of the games but 1, ecores on gave higher numbers. Seriously, do you even look at the links you are posting? Ecores on is faster in all of themNot true at all in games and this was with Windows 11 proving how bad those e-cores are for gaming as the thread director screws up the P cores in WIN11!!
Core i7-12700K review revealing that E-cores hurt P-cores, but without them, everything is only worse
A review of the Core i7-12700K reveals that the presence of E-cores negatively impacts the performance of P-cores, but without them, the overall performance is even worse.
In WIN10 having those e-waste cores off helps performance so much for games!!
Don
Eh? You've posted another link that shows benchmarks where turning E cores off scores lower???Not true at all in games and this was with Windows 11 proving how bad those e-cores are for gaming as the thread director screws up the P cores in WIN11!!
Core i7-12700K review revealing that E-cores hurt P-cores, but without them, everything is only worse
A review of the Core i7-12700K reveals that the presence of E-cores negatively impacts the performance of P-cores, but without them, the overall performance is even worse.
In WIN10 having those e-waste cores off helps performance so much for games!!
Not true at all. In fact that benchmark was not mostly games but mostly infinite threaded productivity apps. The games most of them are better with those e-waste cores off.
And here is more proof most games benefit with them off:
Should Gamers Disable E-Cores? Core i9-12900K, 41 Game Benchmark
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Look at game benchmarks not all of benchmarks most of which are infinite threaded productivity apps. Vast majority of games are better with those e-cores off. All games are better with e-cores off except CIv III, Shadow of Tomb Raider and Total War Kingdom.
And that includes CPU core heavy Hitman 3 and CyberPunk 2077.
Its very dependent on use case, but the point is there are definitely scenarios where it makes sense to disable the e-cores.
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Why does a 6GHz CPU need 24x slow cores?
Earlier you said E cores can run the same processes as P cores....... which kinda suggests you're happy to run your gaming process on E cores?
Don
From your own link
Core i7-12700K review revealing that E-cores hurt P-cores, but without them, everything is only worse
A review of the Core i7-12700K reveals that the presence of E-cores negatively impacts the performance of P-cores, but without them, the overall performance is even worse.
fox-laptop.com
"Another important observation is that the merit of E-cores in the excellent gaming performance of the Core i7-12700K is minimal. Turning them off doesn’t change much, the FPS stays the same high. Moreover, there are quite a few games that benefit from turning off energy-efficient cores due to the increase in L3 cache performance. But on average, a cluster of E-cores still does more good than harm, so we still would not recommend using Alder Lake processors with power-efficient cores turned off."
Yes slower in productivity apps where more cores on top of already fast cores the better.
I am talking about gaming in which most games are better with them off and that is a fact!!
From your own link
Core i7-12700K review revealing that E-cores hurt P-cores, but without them, everything is only worse
A review of the Core i7-12700K reveals that the presence of E-cores negatively impacts the performance of P-cores, but without them, the overall performance is even worse.
"Another important observation is that the merit of E-cores in the excellent gaming performance of the Core i7-12700K is minimal. Turning them off doesn’t change much, the FPS stays the same high. Moreover, there are quite a few games that benefit from turning off energy-efficient cores due to the increase in L3 cache performance. But on average, a cluster of E-cores still does more good than harm, so we still would not recommend using Alder Lake processors with power-efficient cores turned off."
We are talking only about gaming not about doing other things, Performance is performance even if only 5%. That is more than margin of error especially with better thermals and less power consumption to get equally high clocked P cores and ring.
And we are talking about benchmarks not what the final words of those who stated the benchmarks are and recommendation to disable or not disable e-cores. The fact is looking at the charts e-cores hurt lots and lots of gaming performance.
It once again goes to show there are reasons and use case scenarios where it makes sense to turn off the e-cores. Every use case and user is different. Saying there is nada reason for anyone to disable the e-cores is flat out untrue and eveyrone has their own likes and needs and some desire to disable them and nothing at all wrong with that.
This is in contrast to someone buying a 7950X and disabling one CCD when they could just buy a 7700X. That is because a 7700X exists. But an 8 OP core only with 36MB of L3 cache does not exist. Some people also just do noit want the e-cores and trying to say nada reason to disable them is an insult to those people who want Intel P cores only but cannot buy such a chip.
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Soldato
But in both links you posted even games perform better with ecores on!!! Am i missing something???