'On yer bike' says Boris...

I thought it was 95% but I'm not arguing.
Exercise does bugger all compared to dieting except for your well being.
I don't understand this, are you saying doing 1000 calories worth of excercise isn't the same as eating 1000 less calories?

Gutted the voucher is shops only, I'm in need of a new rear tyre and chain.
 
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I am an avid road cyclist. I don't care about calories. I train to power output / heart rate. Of course this is not what Joe Public will do as it is am extreme but the health benefits I have felt since training to thresholds has been immense in day to day life. I feel naturally stronger, when I run (which I hate) I no longer get out of breath etc.

Anyway my point is I wish people who exercise more to be physically fit than just to drop weight which doesn't really equate to being healthy necessarily.
 
It takes an hour of running flat out to burn off 1 snickers bar.

Maybe 40 minutes. I get that these trackers aren't spot on, but I can burn 660 calories in 35 minutes according to estimations.

Basically diet is the most important factor

I don't disagree, but to say exercise does bugger all towards weight-loss is rather silly, no?
 
It takes an hour of running flat out to burn off 1 snickers bar.

That doesn't sound quite right to me. I would burn almost 1000 calories over an hour run, even a gentle one with some intervals. (and yes calorie tracking is not 100%, but that's from accurate HR measurements, and wearing a power meter for running too).
Even if that figure is 20% off, that's still around 800 calories. That's quite a few chocolate bars.
 
I am an avid road cyclist. I don't care about calories. I train to power output / heart rate. Of course this is not what Joe Public will do as it is am extreme but the health benefits I have felt since training to thresholds has been immense in day to day life. I feel naturally stronger, when I run (which I hate) I no longer get out of breath etc.

Anyway my point is I wish people who exercise more to be physically fit than just to drop weight which doesn't really equate to being healthy necessarily.

same, complete ftp and weight nut (bike and me) it's easy to get weight off through cycling but people need to push themselves.
 
Anyway, the magic money tree seems to be spouting £50 vouchers now as Boris has always liked cycling.

I wonder if Boris will start giving out a years tinder subscriptions soon, so we can have affairs?

They are on their high-horse about fast food, but were happy to accept McDonalds on to the 50% discount scheme for restaurants.
 
same, complete ftp and weight nut (bike and me) it's easy to get weight off through cycling but people need to push themselves.

That is really true! Too many people assume exercise is just a function of time. It is way more useful to do 15-20 minutes pushing HR than 40 minutes in no mans land HR zone. That was the biggest thing I learnt last summer, to stop obsessing with long rides and to actually do 1-1.5 hour quality rides with intervals at 110-120% FTP etc.
 
That is really true! Too many people assume exercise is just a function of time. It is way more useful to do 15-20 minutes pushing HR than 40 minutes in no mans land HR zone. That was the biggest thing I learnt last summer, to stop obsessing with long rides and to actually do 1-1.5 hour quality rides with intervals at 110-120% FTP etc.

Goes back to what I said about Joe Wicks. A 20 min HIIT session in the morning everyday, and it'll do wonders for a lot of people!
 
Maybe 40 minutes. I get that these trackers aren't spot on, but I can burn 660 calories in 35 minutes according to estimations.



I don't disagree, but to say exercise does bugger all towards weight-loss is rather silly, no?

I was told its roughly 600 calories per hour of running.

Everyone is different though. It will depend a lot on your own body and genetics.


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“It's a fairly stable number, regardless of how fast you run,” says Dr. Vigil. “If you want to burn 400 calories in one hour, you can run four miles at a leisurely 15-minute-per-mile pace. If you want to burn those same 400 calories in 30 minutes, you would need to run four miles at a brisk 7-minute-30-second pace.”

To burn 600 calories in half an hour you would need to be mo farah. Well not quite but you would need to be pretty damn good at running and not an average person looking to shift some weight.

If you have been doing it for years and are at a good level then yeah it's possible. But some fat ass who hasn't ran before it's going to take them an hour to burn 600 calories.
 
Well some fat ass who can barely walk then maybe it might be 600, as they'll barely be moving. 4mph isn't a run, it's a reasonable walk for most people. That's why some people got some flack and abuse at the end of the London Marathon, as they were taking so long to get round that they were dismantling the course as they were coming through. But if it takes you circa 7 hours to complete a marathon, what do you expect.

I guess I base my approximations on a much fitter general baseline.
 
Well some fat ass who can barely walk then maybe it might be 600, as they'll barely be moving. 4mph isn't a run, it's a reasonable walk for most people. That's why some people got some flack and abuse at the end of the London Marathon, as they were taking so long to get round that they were dismantling the course as they were coming through. But if it takes you circa 7 hours to complete a marathon, what do you expect.

I guess I base my approximations on a much fitter general baseline.

That much fitter general baseline don't need to lose weight or are currently classed as obese.
 
So the real problem is it’s too much effort ?

No its not like I said before. Losing weight is 90% diet.

Cut out all refined, processed foods and ready made stuff.

Just by simply having porridge in the morning is enough for the majority to shift weight.

As you get slimmer it becomes harder but if you use ingredients in their natural forms to make meals then it's easy.

The problem is nobody knows anything about nutrition or cooking. Education is key.

If you grow up eating frosties and chocolates all day then switching to porridge will be hard. But if you have that education and ethic from a starting point.

Instead of chips have a baked potato. It's the same ingredient however it's in its natural form and hasn't been deep fried or refined and processed and picked up in the freezer rather than the fresh veg aisle.
 
To burn 600 calories in half an hour you would need to be mo farah. Well not quite but you would need to be pretty damn good at running and not an average person looking to shift some weight.

If you have been doing it for years and are at a good level then yeah it's possible. But some fat ass who hasn't ran before it's going to take them an hour to burn 600 calories.

Surely the better you get at running, the lighter you get and the less calories you burn per hour?

If that person weighed 180 pounds, the calorie burn goes up to 17 calories per minute.

I weigh 210, but given 180 it would be 630 in 35 minutes. What did I say? 660? So my extra 30lbs, sounds about spot on? (I was running a 9:50 mile)
 
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Goes back to what I said about Joe Wicks. A 20 min HIIT session in the morning everyday, and it'll do wonders for a lot of people!

But if 20 minutes HIIT is almsot the same 'effort' as 60 minutes low effort, for losing weight (not necessarily getting fit) the latter, is better, right? After all the fat burn zone is about 70% of you max?
 
I think the idea and research for HIIT is that as you are going to max HR (or nearer), and for shorter periods of time, your calorie burn rate is higher after you stop ie. you continue to burn more calories for a period after exercising, where as an hour low effort, you will return back to BMR relatively quickly.

I think.
 
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