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Online freedom bye bye.......?
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One amusing side effect of this is it hides their Internet traffic thus negating any proposed survilence laws. It's deliciously ironic.
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Ridiculously short sighted statement. Think about it.
Your last sentence shows what you don't understand. Anyone with who can use a keyboard could bypass a block and allow communication between those involved.
Social network blocks are entirely pointless in these situations, those who want to be involved could turn to IM, IRC the list is endless. Even a website could be setup.
Blocking social networks to foil terror attacks is just pointless, arresting them isn't though.
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A bit harder for people who don't have a clue apart from networking sites.
OK they could text, phone etc etc.
Loads of riots have happened before the internet anyway.
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You can text or phone a few million people in an instant?
Most of which hasn't passed, is unlikely to pass or will be seriously challanaged. Why do you think the internet should be beyond the law?
You honestly think a poem about genocide is appropriate? Whilst certainly not the crassest use of that poem it is certainly coming close.
I have no problem with them "coming for the file sharers" because they are freeloading scum that should pay for the fruits of others labours. However if they did come for bloggers etc then that is what the UK Supreme Court, the European Court and the various civil rights pressure groups are for.
You could actually but it would cost a bomb
. Communications could all ripple through, though they could just use an unblockable service such as TOR.
People are going to find a way communicate and it's not really going to be a hinder if they block social networks.
You could actually but it would cost a bomb
Communications could all ripple through, though they could just use an unblockable service such as TOR.
People are going to find a way communicate and it's not really going to be a hinder if they block social networks.
It would be a massive hindrance. The general population A) don't know about those services or how to use them and B) aren't signed up or have such services running in the 10's of millions.
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Not really but who defines the "law" for the Internet when it crosses all countries borders?
As for my use of that poem, you might find my adoption of it crass but the point was to show how quickly such scenarios escalate. At the moment the holier than thou brigade are all "yes block these sites, ban the freeloading scum" yet it is not too much of a leap of imagination, especially given governments track record, for more draconian censorship and laws to come online.
Just like the raft of dumb proposals I posted above.
Well as we are a relatively free country (especially compared to many other nations around the world) I will have to trust our legal system to get it right eventually. It isn't like we are likely to see any international consensus on internet regulation any time soon (for which we should all be grateful for considering the nations that do actually wish to control the net).
Massively crass to be honest but considering the amount of hyperbole surrounding anything to do with restricting piracy I am not suprised. Police state! Just like China! The start of the end! Gets a bit tiresome to be honest and tends to get in the way of any decent debate.
Oooh, I am part of the holier than thou brigade now? Yeah, damn me for wanting people who work to make creative content to actually make money out of it.
I am an advocate of free speech, banning Pirate Bay goes nowhere near damaging free speech. If the government starts making moves against free speech then I shall be bothered.
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Hang on, you're saying the Government shouldn't ban any sites, but they should be focusing on paedo and terrorism websites? This is where the problems arise, what do you consider serious enough to ban a website? Is it any site committing illegal acts or are we going to pick and choose what we see to be "serious" crimes?
It isn't just sites like Piratebay that get shut down, it is just that is one of the most high profile cases of Government action on the Internet. For every one major site such as Piratebay that gets blocked, hundreds of other sites that break the law get closed down for our safety. TBH I would prefer to not be able to download free music if that means I am kept safe.
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Oooh, I am part of the holier than thou brigade now? Yeah, damn me for wanting people who work to make creative content to actually make money out of it.
Not really as I agree with some of your points. The holier than thou lot are those who advocate whole swathes of the Internet being shut down on a whim, you know to prevent copyright infringement yet probably post copyright infringing pictures here.
Between those shouting "Police state" and those advocating a totally locked down Internet lies a happy middle ground. I have no problems saying openly I support a more "wild west" style Internet that has sites openly available like TPB rather than one that has too much Government interference.
I take this standpoint as a content creator as well as a content consumer. I would rather have my works 'pirated' and keep the Internet as it is now. I hope to shift to my content creation activities as my main source of income soon but stand by my ideology.
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True. Even if the Internet was shut down Mumsnet wold still be accessible. Doesn't even need TCP.
Was never going to last as soon as it became mainstream.
Would you opinion change though if you found that you couldn't switch to using it as your main source of income due to piracy? What happens when the generation that are used to getting everything for free become the main consumers of content and income drops through the floor? There is only so much content that can be supported by advertisting after all.
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It may but thankfully at least one of my content streams is niche enough not to be of any interest to the serial pirates yet potentially very profitable. My mainstream content is actually easily copy able but if it kicks off big time I can take the hit. Kind of like Louis CK (only I don't do comedy) but with the potential to make thousands yet essentially be easy to pirate.
I cannot abide DRM.
With regards to the Wild West Internet. Yes you are probably right but there has to be middle ground. At the moment the eyes of over meant are focused on the Internet and its in danger of going too far the wrong way and it may never recover. The fact it spans the globe and connects everybody is the biggest problem for regulation and the internets greatest strength.
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How do you mean?
A lot of ignorant people are a lot braver behind a keyboard. A lot of people incite misogyny, bigotry and other hateful statements online that they'd never do in person. And get away with comments that in a public space, or in "real life" would actually be chargeable offences.
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