Online freedom bye bye.......?

[Greebo]

Neither, you just make poor excuses for your rationalizations.

If products were cheap enough then most people wouldn't pirate. Not that hard to comprehend, even for you.

Unforunately proved wrong by the Humble Bundle deals. You could buy 5 games for one dollar yet these games appeared on torrents and people pirated them. Really, 15p per game not cheap enough for you?

Reduced prices reduces piracy, I will give you that but there will always be people prepared to pirate stuff for free no matter how cheap it is.

 

[=XDC=FluphyBunny]

What worries me the most in this thread is peoples assumption that the government is trustworthy enough to have this sort of control !

 

[LordSplodge]

What worries me the most in this thread is peoples assumption that the government is trustworthy enough to have this sort of control !

Scary, isn't it?

 

[RDM]

What worries me the most in this thread is peoples assumption that the government is trustworthy enough to have this sort of control !

Scary, isn't it?

Some control is required, if not the government then who?

 

[Hagar]

I think that if it did come to opt in for adult content (which I doubt) I would opt in. Not because I watch porn or would miss it if not available but because of the additional layer of filtering at the ISP which could block off more than a few adult sites. The block could also be amended at intervals to cover specific areas not dealing with porn and may adversely affect Essex, Sussex and Middlesex

A campaign to make opt in shame free would be a good idea if it comes to it. 'I opted in' tee shirts anyone

 

[Yamahahahahaha]

Some control is required, if not the government then who?

National laws are only an issue for the country in which the crime is committed.

We've seen the nonsense that occured over the Megaupload takedown, and the US government's collusion with the MAFIAA. Governments are not fit to govern in 'cyber space', and are only able to govern in the real world through the monopoly of force.

A campaign to make opt in shame free would be a good idea if it comes to it. 'I opted in' tee shirts anyone

It should be opt out. If you are old enough to sign up for broadband, you are an adult and should be treated as such.
If the opt in rate is low enough, we'll see arguments for further restrictions, which are not wanted or desirable.

 

[LordSplodge]

Some control is required, if not the government then who?

Government, obviously. However the Internet is international and currently (as with America) we have the situation arriving that one Government claims the right to police the whole Internet. However personally I don't trust governments given their track record but it's the only valid option but it needs people to hold them to account.

I've said before though that it is a citizens duty to question everything and government does and act against threats to the liberty of its people. However with a 30% turnout at the elections this week it seems propel are either too lazy or stupid to actually get involved.

 

[Hagar]

It should be opt out. If you are old enough to sign up for broadband, you are an adult and should be treated as such.
If the opt in rate is low enough, we'll see arguments for further restrictions, which are not wanted or desirable.

I agree, why should the internet be designed or limited to protect the morals of unsupervised pre-teens. Morality I might add not based on human behaviour but on Judeo/Christian/Muslim beliefs.

 

[feedtheram]

Reduced prices reduces piracy, I will give you that but there will always be people prepared to pirate stuff for free no matter how cheap it is.

Let's be honest. It's about getting caught. If you had the same chance of getting caught by downloading as you do stealing from a shop then you wouldn't do it - certainly if it had the same social stigma attatched to it.

Saying things cost too much is rubbish. Content providers can charge whatever they want for what they make. Consumers have the power to pay or not. Just because they have been slow to adapt the a new technology does not make it ok to download things for free. In the long run someone will embrace the new technology - it's happening already, and they will do very well while others will go out of business - Valve are probably one of the best examples of how well a company can do by embracing these new avenues.

The big issue here is that content distributors have been so slow to embrace these new ways of distributing products. This allowed pirating to really become main stream and it really isn't thought of as that bad. Walk into your office with a bunch of stolen CDs and people will look at you funny and you may get fired. Walk in with a 1TB hard drive filled with music and movies and everyone is your best mate - this is the problem, and also the reason why piracy is not going to go away anytime soon.

It's gotten to the point that so many people do it that it wouldn't be possible for the authorities to punish offenders anyway even if they had the technology/ability.

Very tricky situation. All that said you can't just go around banning websites. It's the decision of someone who doesn't understand the problem and is just after some votes or has been influenced by others. It won't solve the problem and if anything detracts from other more viable solutions.

 

[gothic_hobbit]

It's all part of the NWO.

 

[LordSplodge]

Very tricky situation. All that said you can't just go around banning websites. It's the decision of someone who doesn't understand the problem and is just after some votes or has been influenced by others. It won't solve the problem and if anything detracts from other more viable solutions.

Apparantley governments and media cartels think you can go around banning websites.

That's not the solution.

 

[Deleted member 77746]

Apparantley governments and media cartels think you can go around banning websites.

That's not the solution.

They can, and it's happening. So what is the solution then?

The solutions are already appearing. (Streaming Music / Movies) but people still don't care. They want hard copies of media regardless of the price. You will still get people trying it on no matter what laws are in place.

 

[LordSplodge]

They can, and it's happening. So what is the solution then?

You mean like they've banned The Pirate Bay? That worked out well, didn't it? I mean people cannot access it now, not without complicated VPN setups...oh hang on they can just go to a different URL.

Google and plenty of others have said there is a danger these proposed laws for website blocking could break the very fabric of the Internet.

You're right on one point. You beat piracy by making content easily available, in the format of peoples choice, and a good price and piracy levels tumble. Look at what Steam has done for PC gaming for example.

If you ignore sites like the Pirate Bay and instead entice people to be legal (iTunes Match is a good example) then eventually the torrent sites and other sources of piracy become diminished. No need to threaten the fabric of the Internet.

Alas the media cartels aren't willing to change and with the help of lobbying the government are determined to cling to their archaic business model and give our leaders excuses to censor the Internet.

 

[estebanrey]

You mean like they've banned The Pirate Bay? That worked out well, didn't it? I mean people cannot access it now, not without complicated VPN setups...oh hang on they can just go to a different URL.

You don't need a complicated VPN network, any simple proxy will do.

Luckily my ISP hasn't banned piratebay (yet) but I'll use my proxy (you can set them up using google appspot very easily) if they do.

 

[bitslice]

I agree, why should the internet be designed or limited to protect the morals of unsupervised pre-teens. Morality I might add not based on human behaviour but on Judeo/Christian/Muslim beliefs.

I don't think allowing pre-teens access to pornography is supported by any groups morality, so I don't know why you decided to bring religion into this.

Although I think the implementation is poorly done I think I'm in favour of this, society doesn't really benefit by having easy access to pornography, whether it is fap material for adults or children. It's distorting of relationships and addictive, ref some recent TV programme on weird teen attitudes towards sex.

I'd rather see the whole lot dumped onto a pay-to-access .xxx domain and the rest route negged at ISP level.
I reckon this should be self regulated by the adult industry and not by committees of easily shocked puritans.


I doubt I'm qualified to comment on what makes up the grey areas, like cartoons of Japanese schoolgirls.

 

[StriderX]

I find it amusing, it is rare in history to find a time when the authoritarian (whether soft or or hard authority...no it is not a euphemism) group is constantly under fire, this is one of those times i think.

"enemy" hackers and such seem to rule the roost at the moment, they can get anything they wish, money, secrets, apparently classified information...it really doesnt matter, however the mindset of a hacker, id say is more towards anarchic if anything (my opinion), so with knowledge and intelligence, you can steal the world from right under the ruling class.

Funny isn't it, after all this time of trying to control and subsidise knowledge, they no longer can, which probably means governments will be willing to do some pretty outrageous **** to "stem the flow of neo-terror!" pfft.

Interestingly i dont think the serious government related hackers and freelance pros really matter here, its mostly the ones that harm their image, the lowly people who simply take down a webpage (yeah it means nothing, but the common man or woman doesn't know that) cause infinity greater damage.

I stand by my opinion, governments are irrelevant, middlemen are irrelevant unless you want to hide something.

 

[estebanrey]

Although I think the implementation is poorly done I think I'm in favour of this, society doesn't really benefit by having easy access to pornography, whether it is fap material for adults or children. It's distorting of relationships and addictive, ref some recent TV programme on weird teen attitudes towards sex.

Is that based on any scientific testing or just your opinion? Could it not be argued that easy access to pornography could prevent some rape by giving men an outlet?

 

[wildman]

Some control is required, if not the government then who?

Internets police ?

 

[albert]

Well Virgin Media and the Govt tried to block Pirate Bay , but it works fine for me. There's always a way round things

 

[bitslice]

Is that based on any scientific testing or just your opinion? Could it not be argued that easy access to pornography could prevent some rape by giving men an outlet?

It's a difficult subject to test scientifically, overall I think it's healthier to not form relationships having an pre-expectation that your gf looks like a porn model.
Look at the number of people who know what 2G1C means but wish they didn't.

If someone is inclined to rape then it's likely they will just explore more extreme porn until satisfied or then rape if not. Neither outcome is helpful.