opinions please - 1st draft of website
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May be worth looking on www.dafont.com or another site to see if you can find a very similar substitute for the main logo font and re-doing it. If done well, the logo in a slightly different font will still look 100x better 
EDIT: there is also no obvious way to scroll the left navigation frame (at least there is not in FF, I had to use the mouse autoscroll thing). Ideally you'll want to make the site 100% accessible for at least as low as 800x600
EDIT: there is also no obvious way to scroll the left navigation frame (at least there is not in FF, I had to use the mouse autoscroll thing). Ideally you'll want to make the site 100% accessible for at least as low as 800x600
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If they are happy with the site and it meets the design criteria, what's the problem? Okay, it's not standards compliant and won't validate correctly but if it enables visitors to browse a selection of motorcycles and the site owner is happy with the finished product who's to argue?Cuchulain said:
I'm not in any way advocating certain levels of work (for my job I have to be fastidious in detail etc) but if the motoplus owners are happy..
Quiet the charmer you are.
Ive completed many a site m8, they may not be up to your standards but everyone has been happy. Most recently :
http://www.twistandturn.co.uk
I have always used dreamweaver and had no problems, its easy and fast. Why not use it?.
Ive completed many a site m8, they may not be up to your standards but everyone has been happy. Most recently :
http://www.twistandturn.co.uk
I have always used dreamweaver and had no problems, its easy and fast. Why not use it?.
riddlermarc said:If they are happy with the site and it meets the design criteria, what's the problem? Okay, it's not standards compliant and won't validate correctly but if it enables visitors to browse a selection of motorcycles and the site owner is happy with the finished product who's to argue?
I'm not in any way advocating certain levels of work (for my job I have to be fastidious in detail etc) but if the motoplus owners are happy..
Given the choice between a standards/accessibility compliant web site and one that isn't, if I were a customer I'd know which one I'd choose. There's a reason web standards are in place as they ensure a site's future & cross browser functionality and there are plenty of reasons why CSS should be used to web site layouts; e.g. faster loading pages, better search engine results, better accessability across all manner of browsers and viewers, easier maintenance .. the list goes on.
busman said:
Hah! You did twistandturn's site? I visit it quite regularly - i bought a Bronco kite from them about 3 years ago, still got it in fact. I believe the guy's name was Ian, scottish guy. I was impressed with their service and helpfulness, its a shame the site hasn't had an update with the newer products in a while. You should get onto them for more business
busman said:
You're the one posting a web site URL and asking opinions, if you don't want to hear the reality of it then don't do it in future.
And it's not about being up to "my standards" it's about being up to "web standards" which you clearly don't know anything about yet.
I also bought a Bronco from Iain Full quiver in fact.
The reason the site hasnt been updated in that Iain is no longer the distributor, he is more of a rep now, with Ocean Rodeo handling the distrubution themselves.
Really nice guy Iain was.
As for the site, I havnt had any problems viewing it with different browsers. I have also asked a few of my m8s to have a look on their comps, they had no problems either. Faster loading and maintenance is not a problem either, its not as if the site has masses of pictures.
Just my opinion.
Full quiver in fact.The reason the site hasnt been updated in that Iain is no longer the distributor, he is more of a rep now, with Ocean Rodeo handling the distrubution themselves.
Really nice guy Iain was.
As for the site, I havnt had any problems viewing it with different browsers. I have also asked a few of my m8s to have a look on their comps, they had no problems either. Faster loading and maintenance is not a problem either, its not as if the site has masses of pictures.
Just my opinion.
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*sigh* I agree 110% but it isn't a perfect world, no matter how hard we try. Small businesses can't afford to take their custom to large design houses (yes, I know that's no excuse..) so they do what they need to do to get their online presence up and running, job done. As "professionals", we can sit at our keyboards and hold our heads in our hands at sites that aren't compliant but compliancy comes at either a knowlegde and/or a financial price in terms of development.Cuchulain said:
Your derryonline site doesn't pass the w3c markup validators but it does the job admirably, I really like the site
At the end of the day though, it's still a sub-standard job.
For a hundred quid I would fully expect a crap site to be the result of my money.
But if clients start paying more money and are expecting good web design work, you'll need to stop and learn the trade properly.
It's kind of comparable to going to a car garage, paying £400 and coming away with a poor set of repairs completed. The job was done, but not as good as it should have been.
The customer doesn't know any better, so presumes what he's got for his money his normal and goes on his way happy with the job.
Fair? No.
For a hundred quid I would fully expect a crap site to be the result of my money.
But if clients start paying more money and are expecting good web design work, you'll need to stop and learn the trade properly.
It's kind of comparable to going to a car garage, paying £400 and coming away with a poor set of repairs completed. The job was done, but not as good as it should have been.
The customer doesn't know any better, so presumes what he's got for his money his normal and goes on his way happy with the job.
Fair? No.
Im asking for opinions based on me not being a professional web designer 
Its also the way that you give your opinions, you dont exactly seem like the friendly type. Mabey a bit of advice and not just a slating would make your comments more useful.
Its also the way that you give your opinions, you dont exactly seem like the friendly type. Mabey a bit of advice and not just a slating would make your comments more useful.
riddlermarc said:*sigh* I agree 110% but it isn't a perfect world, no matter how hard we try. Small businesses can't afford to take their custom to large design houses (yes, I know that's no excuse..) so they do what they need to do to get their online presence up and running, job done. As "professionals", we can sit at our keyboards and hold our heads in our hands at sites that aren't compliant but compliancy comes at either a knowlegde and/or a financial price in terms of development.
Your derryonline site doesn't pass the w3c markup validators but it does the job admirably, I really like the site
Compliancy doesn't come with a cost incurred if you do your job well, my Derryonline site wasn't created for customer, my customers site's are XHTML valid and pass Bobby accessibility.
busman said:Im asking for opinions based on me not being a professional web designer
Its also the way that you give your opinions, you dont exactly seem like the friendly type. Mabey a bit of advice and not just a slating would make your comments more useful.
I suspect any negative feedback to your work is unwelcome, as I said, if you don't like it, don't ask for opinions.