opinions please - 1st draft of website

MrKeeno · 22 Nov 2006 at 16:10

Cuchulain said:
I suspect any negative feedback to your work is unwelcome, as I said, if you don't like it, don't ask for opinions.

Thats why I totally redesigned the site since the 1st post? and also took onboard the comments about the buttons and so on?

Its not your opinions that i dont like m8, they are true enough. Its the way you say them that I dont like.

Brizzles · 22 Nov 2006 at 16:16

busman said:
Im asking for opinions based on me not being a professional web designer

Its also the way that you give your opinions, you dont exactly seem like the friendly type. Mabey a bit of advice and not just a slating would make your comments more useful.

As you have produced sites before , this will be another, and are getting paid for your work then full credit to you.

You have clearly said that you are not a professional web designer , but a certain poster seems to ignore this.

Smacks of jealousy , at the end of the day the money is in your wallet not his.

Keep going.

Mark M · 22 Nov 2006 at 16:49

Site looks ok.

Nothing wrong with using dreamweaver. Next we will be hearing that every site has to be written in notepad or it should be blacklisted.

Why not try having a look at incorporating some css into the site/your next site/test site? It really does make a difference and isnt too hard to get the hang of.

MrKeeno · 22 Nov 2006 at 16:54

Mark M said:
Site looks ok.

Nothing wrong with using dreamweaver. Next we will be hearing that every site has to be written in notepad or it should be blacklisted.

Why not try having a look at incorporating some css into the site/your next site/test site? It really does make a difference and isnt too hard to get the hang of.

Will do Mark, I think i'll work on my own site next, at least that way I can take my time and learn CSS as I go.

suarve · 22 Nov 2006 at 18:50

busman said:
Im asking for opinions based on me not being a professional web designer

Its also the way that you give your opinions, you dont exactly seem like the friendly type. Mabey a bit of advice and not just a slating would make your comments more useful.

well i am not a proffessional web designer by absolute miles. However, i must say by taking a bit of time to follow tutorials (plenty of them on the web ablout everything what people are talking about, start @ w3schools.com) you will end up with a much better site in the long and have improved your knowledge. i can empahize with you being a bit confused by all standards people are mentioning, but after reading a bit on w3schools you'll be a lot more in the know. XHTML and CSS are definately the way to go.

shadow4509 · 22 Nov 2006 at 19:14

I think the site looks good for someone who is new to web design. I started building websites a few years ago and even now i am still learning little things that make a huge difference.

People that become advanced in certain areas (sports, web deisgn etc etc) forget that they too were beginners once!

MrKeeno · 22 Nov 2006 at 21:03

Thanks for all the comments guys, even Cuchulain

Im going to design a portfolio site after this one is completed and do things by the book, we'll see how that turns out.

At least I know I can count on you guys for some constructive criticism

SourChipmunk · 22 Nov 2006 at 21:59

busman said:
Thanks for all the comments guys, even Cuchulain

Im going to design a portfolio site after this one is completed and do things by the book, we'll see how that turns out.

Once you go CSS/PHP, you'll wonder how you ever got on without it. The flexibility is incredible. Maintenance a breeze. Even though the coding might first seem overwhelming, after a little training you'll be amazed at how simple it really is for basic stuff.

I never did get my site to validate properly (one stupid line of code I can't find), but I know it's sound in most browsers and fairly fast.

Cuchulain · 23 Nov 2006 at 00:17

Raist said:
Once you go CSS/PHP, you'll wonder how you ever got on without it. The flexibility is incredible. Maintenance a breeze. Even though the coding might first seem overwhelming, after a little training you'll be amazed at how simple it really is for basic stuff.

I never did get my site to validate properly (one stupid line of code I can't find), but I know it's sound in most browsers and fairly fast.

72 errors (XHTML strict) and tags all over the shop *tsk*

Sherbs · 23 Nov 2006 at 00:35

Raist said:
Once you go CSS/PHP, you'll wonder how you ever got on without it. The flexibility is incredible. Maintenance a breeze. Even though the coding might first seem overwhelming, after a little training you'll be amazed at how simple it really is for basic stuff.

I never did get my site to validate properly (one stupid line of code I can't find), but I know it's sound in most browsers and fairly fast.

HTML Validation Result
----------------------
http://www.mtariders.com/

line 43 column 133 - Warning: element not empty or not closed
line 203 column 19 - Warning: element not empty or not closed
line 68 column 11 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "bordercolor"
line 89 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 98 column 98 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 112 column 76 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 126 column 38 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 138 column 74 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 65 column 47 - Warning: trimming empty 
line 116 column 30 - Warning: trimming empty 
line 132 column 41 - Warning: trimming empty 
line 136 column 30 - Warning: trimming empty 
line 136 column 15 - Warning: trimming empty 
line 151 column 41 - Warning: trimming empty 
line 151 column 90 - Warning: trimming empty 
line 151 column 86 - Warning: trimming empty 
line 151 column 71 - Warning: trimming empty 

0 errors / 17 warnings

riddlermarc · 23 Nov 2006 at 09:51

Cuchulain said:
72 errors (XHTML strict) and tags all over the shop *tsk*

But his site is "PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN", not strict :confused:

Cuchulain · 23 Nov 2006 at 10:21

riddlermarc said:
But his site is "PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN", not strict

But why bother using XHTML transitional? You may as well use HTML transitional, get the blink and marquee tags in and be done with it.

D4VE · 23 Nov 2006 at 10:28

The overall look is not bad at all, I've seen far worse.

For a lot of people, that's all that matters. But for someone who's charging I personally think the code should be of good quality aswell as the look of the site.

robmiller · 23 Nov 2006 at 10:33

Cuchulain said:
But why bother using XHTML transitional? You may as well use HTML transitional, get the blink and marquee tags in and be done with it.

What nonsense. You shouldn't even use XHTML at all without a correct mimetype (which isn't supported by IE6 which the majority of people still use).

Cuchulain · 23 Nov 2006 at 11:11

robmiller said:
What nonsense. You shouldn't even use XHTML at all without a correct mimetype (which isn't supported by IE6 which the majority of people still use).

I use strict as it forces me to remove any layout markup, giving me clean, manageable code

robmiller · 23 Nov 2006 at 12:33

Cuchulain said:
I use strict as it forces me to remove any layout markup, giving me clean, manageable code

This is valid XHTML strict:

Code:

<span style="color:red; border:1px solid white; background:#00f;">hello <span style="padding:5px;">there</span></span>

Which is utterly worthless markup in every sense of the word. Good coding practices stop you from putting presentational code in your markup, not XHTML strict.

!bluetonic! · 23 Nov 2006 at 16:00

Where can I find the search facility and also check stock levels for the bikes? :mad:

Sic · 23 Nov 2006 at 16:22

Cuchulain said:
I use strict as it forces me to remove any layout markup, giving me clean, manageable code

your own ability should do that! i agreed with what you were saying up until then. i dont think that people should be getting cash for substandard work; regardless of whether the customer is happy with it or not, as they won't know what they're talking about half the time...that's why they've got you in to do it.

if you like being a freelance designer, maybe you should think about building a site with web standards (it really doesn't take long to learn CSS), then you can build a portfolio and get MORE clients!

MrKeeno · 23 Nov 2006 at 16:31

Sic said:
your own ability should do that! i agreed with what you were saying up until then. i dont think that people should be getting cash for substandard work; regardless of whether the customer is happy with it or not, as they won't know what they're talking about half the time...that's why they've got you in to do it.

if you like being a freelance designer, maybe you should think about building a site with web standards (it really doesn't take long to learn CSS), then you can build a portfolio and get MORE clients!

And I quote myself

- Im going to design a portfolio site after this one is completed and do things by the book, we'll see how that turns out. -

Sherbs · 23 Nov 2006 at 17:54

!bluetonic! said:
Where can I find the search facility and also check stock levels for the bikes?

Go back to GD mate, or read the whole thread.