Organ donor system "presumed consent"

[Spend_day]

An Opt-Out system would be a very good step forward in my opinion, simply for the fact that it would reduce wastage of organs. If you feel strongly against, you can opt out. If you aren't bothered either way, you don't have to do anything yet your organs can and will still be utilised.

same here atm even if your on the organ doner register your next of kin still has to give consent

ive been on the register since i was 14-15

an opt out scheme would work better

my girlfriends really against organ donation and threw my card away any1 know how i can get a new 1

 

[chimaera]

my girlfriends really against organ donation and threw my card away any1 know how i can get a new 1

A new gf or organ doner card?

 

[Reeve]

Bah, stop spelling it wrong people, it's DONOR

 

[do_ron_ron]

Just to make this issue very clear for all the others that will likely take your viewpoint...

I disagree with others PRESUMING my consent. They have no authority over my internal organs, therefore I have no moral or spiritual reason to have contact with them in any way.

Remember, just because YOU think its a good thing - there's no excuse to remove consent from others. If more organs are needed, spend the money on advertising and campaign.

Also, what if this were the thin end of the wedge? What other parts of my body might go to 'scientific causes' on what grounds?

I agree with you. In a civilised country it might work to have this change but in Britain doctors have already shown themselves to be breaking the law( numerous cases, Alderhay childrens hospital etc etc) Has any doctor been convicted of stealing organs?

My objection is that it effectively means the Govt. owns your body.

With the current mentality of doctors in this country, how long is it going to be before a doctor deliberately lets a patient die because another one or two people could use their organs? With the NHS seemingly always short of cash how long before patients are left to die because their organs can be sold to another country? With doctors used to death around them decisions about letting people die are taken a easier than someone who is not surrounded by death. We complain about China doing this to convicts awaiting execution - their length of life dependant on the demand for their organs but with this change it will not be too long before Britain will be worse than China.

 

[PikeyPriest]

I agree with you. In a civilised country it might work to have this change but in Britain doctors have already shown themselves to be breaking the law( numerous cases, Alderhay childrens hospital etc etc) Has any doctor been convicted of stealing organs?

My objection is that it effectively means the Govt. owns your body.

With the current mentality of doctors in this country, how long is it going to be before a doctor deliberately lets a patient die because another one or two people could use their organs? With the NHS seemingly always short of cash how long before patients are left to die because their organs can be sold to another country? With doctors used to death around them decisions about letting people die are taken a easier than someone who is not surrounded by death. We complain about China doing this to convicts awaiting execution - their length of life dependant on the demand for their organs but with this change it will not be too long before Britain will be worse than China.

I think you are getting a bit carried away there. The organs that are most valuable will be those who are younger and they are the people doctors will fight hardest to save.

 

[Spend_day]

A new gf or organ doner card?

........ nah well all know you order girlfriends off the internet

 

[semi-pro waster]

My objection is that it effectively means the Govt. owns your body.

Not exactly, it means that the Government (or more accurately the organ donor service) has the ability to use your organs should they be suitable once you no longer need them. I don't see that as ownership of my body, it might be owning part of my body but by the time the issue comes to pass I've got no use for those parts so it is somewhat of an irrelevance to me.

With the current mentality of doctors in this country, how long is it going to be before a doctor deliberately lets a patient die because another one or two people could use their organs? With the NHS seemingly always short of cash how long before patients are left to die because their organs can be sold to another country? With doctors used to death around them decisions about letting people die are taken a easier than someone who is not surrounded by death. We complain about China doing this to convicts awaiting execution - their length of life dependant on the demand for their organs but with this change it will not be too long before Britain will be worse than China.

I think you are being a bit over-dramatic here, doctors have to take the Hippocratic oath which states that they will do their best for any patient regardless or words to that effect. I can't imagine that doctors will suddenly start offing patients just so they can play god and transplant the organs but if I'm wrong then you can say a well deserved "told you so".

 

[do_ron_ron]

Not exactly, it means that the Government (or more accurately the organ donor service) has the ability to use your organs should they be suitable once you no longer need them. I don't see that as ownership of my body, it might be owning part of my body but by the time the issue comes to pass I've got no use for those parts so it is somewhat of an irrelevance to me.

And the donor service is owned by ..............

I think you are being a bit over-dramatic here, doctors have to take the Hippocratic oath which states that they will do their best for any patient regardless or words to that effect. I can't imagine that doctors will suddenly start offing patients just so they can play god and transplant the organs but if I'm wrong then you can say a well deserved "told you so".

So no doctors have been accused of killing patients?

The Oath is only as good as the person. When push comes to shove how many doctors will stand up to be counted or will they absolve themselves by saying someone higher up ordered it. Our record in this country concerning doctors and the illegal use of organs is very poor. If they cannot obey the law as it stands what will happen when they are given total access.

Most of the concerns raised were actually given by representatives of organisations for the elderly in a program I watched.

 

[stumpy187]

In all honesty i couldn't care less about having my organs removed. If im dead im not gunna use them am i

 

[Things change I've changed]

In all honesty i couldn't care less about having my organs removed. If im dead im not gunna use them am i

Do you own a donor card ?

 

[Surfer]

lots of utterly superfluous comments...but anyway

1) I think most people agree that if they dont need an organ then they would be happy to donate it if it is going to help someone else live.

2) I think most people would feel better if this process didnt involve casting asunder or waiving of certain inviolable rights of the individual.

Thats where the gov got it wrong: in the attempt to satisfy the requirements of 1) they have ridden roughshod over 2)

They need to find a solution which preserves 2) but still satisfies 1)

Simple as. It aint complicated to me.....

 

[Nix]

Therefore, easier access and conciousness-raising of the subject to get people to fill out a form is the actual answer. Why don't they have the forms at local supermarkets or perhaps in with an occassional surplus of junk-mail, etc?

 

[semi-pro waster]

And the donor service is owned by ..............

The NHS which in turn is funded by the Government, absolutely but I still think it rather different than the Government 'owning' your body.

So no doctors have been accused of killing patients?

The Oath is only as good as the person. When push comes to shove how many doctors will stand up to be counted or will they absolve themselves by saying someone higher up ordered it. Our record in this country concerning doctors and the illegal use of organs is very poor. If they cannot obey the law as it stands what will happen when they are given total access.

Most of the concerns raised were actually given by representatives of organisations for the elderly in a program I watched.

I haven't heard of any doctors deliberately letting patients die just so they could transplant the organs, which isn't quite the same as saying no doctors have ever killed patients. You will get doctors who are straight up murderers, same as any other group of the population but in theory their oath puts them at a higher duty of care than any other group. We do agree though that it is only worth what the person giving it is worth.

I might be being naive but I don't actually imagine the system or procedures themselves will change hugely, it will simply give a greater number of potential donors to choose from.

 

[Bear]

The NHS which in turn is funded by the Government, absolutely but I still think it rather different than the Government 'owning' your body.



I haven't heard of any doctors deliberately letting patients die just so they could transplant the organs, which isn't quite the same as saying no doctors have ever killed patients. You will get doctors who are straight up murderers, same as any other group of the population but in theory their oath puts them at a higher duty of care than any other group. We do agree though that it is only worth what the person giving it is worth.

I might be being naive but I don't actually imagine the system or procedures themselves will change hugely, it will simply give a greater number of potential donors to choose from.

I agree the change implies consent therefore the government doesnt make the claim to own your body, otherwise they would be liable for the funeral expenses/disposal of the remains.

There actually have been cases of bodies being harvested without consent (adults and babies I recall), so who is to say that it wont happen with an opt out scheme.

 

[uknowist]

im doing a presentation in college about organ donations, so reviving this thread. One question tho, who owns your body when you die in legal terms, im sure I read somewhere in the past that when you die in a hospital technically your body becomes property of the hospital. Anyone able to back up those claims?

thanks

 

[Tefal]

im doing a presentation in college about organ donations, so reviving this thread. One question tho, who owns your body when you die in legal terms, im sure I read somewhere in the past that when you die in a hospital technically your body becomes property of the hospital. Anyone able to back up those claims?

thanks

Family/next of kin, in normal circumstances, unless possibly if you sign a release ,and your treated in a teaching hospital, so your body can be used in an autopsy.

 

[uknowist]

Hm im sure i read that im legal terms you do become property of the hospital but they obviously consult and give the body to the family out of decency..?

 

[Tefal]

no thats why there where loads of law suits against that one that was taking organs, and why there is an organ donor system, after all why would they need to ask if your body belongs to them?

 

[iBot]

should stay an opt in system. People who want to give there organs away (Which will probably the minority) can allow it if they wish.

I certainly dont want my organs going to someone else. And When I was cosigning my employees driving application I noticed they are asking everyone who applies to the DVLA to join the register.

 

[uknowist]

fair point, although i guess maybe its one of those laws that hasnt changed in decades and isnt enforced?

Maybe the source i read it from was just some random site which was talking crap, or maybe a law in a different country